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Old 02-13-2015, 12:36 PM   #451
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Re: All-Time English Premiership Draft

this is the worst, top players on my board are bunch of traitors, rivals legends and oldies

will pick soon
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:38 PM   #452
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Problem with a player who has a long career long past their peak is it becomes harder and harder to remember their peak.
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:38 PM   #453
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Way too early for cantona!?!
Let me know when you think he should have come out as we go along, difficult to argue without naming undrafteds now, but will be interested to see where you (presumably) youngsters think he should be, got a feeling you won't like my next pick either on that basis (if he's still there)

I was split between Gerrard and cantona for my pick fwiw
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:40 PM   #454
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There is one undrafted who I think will drop really far and still not get the love he really deserves when picked, a unique talent a bit ahead of his time.
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:44 PM   #455
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**** this

I'm taking RVP

Couple of elite seasons and a bunch of good others with a lot of injuries (standard Arsenal)

Considering where RVN went, I think this is good value
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:49 PM   #456
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Round 1, Pick 16 Team GOAT BAIDS/LFC_USA: Luis Suarez

Luis Suarez


We were really chomping at the bit to make this pick. A player with a real appetite for the game fell way to low and we got tremendous value at pick 16. If you'd have offered me Suarez at the start of this draft with the 16th pick I'd have bitten your arm off right then and there

Premier League 2011-2014

GOAT song


Bought in a time where Liverpool were in complete turmoil thanks to the Yanks from Texas having finally just moved on and a new era set to being with Fenway Sports Group. He was signed in 2011 for a record 22.8m with little fanfare due to us fleecing Chelsea for Torres and LOL Andy Carroll arriving hours after Suarez for a new record signing. He scored on his debut and would go on to have the greatest single season in Premier League history just 3 seasons later



In 2011 Suarez would win his first and sadly only silverware in the Premiership with the Mickey Mouse cup, a campaign that provided a classic Suarez goat goal. He only had 11 league goals due to his suspect 8 game ban because Patrice Evra is a baby and Suarez is possibly racist. He also led Liverpool to the FA Cup final in 2011.



Suarez seems to thrive on the controversy surrounding him and continually elevate his play and carry a team on his back. He has a Premier League record of a hat trick in every 20.3 Premier League games, something no one else in the Premier League era can even come close to. Like the song says, he could score with a volley


or score with his head, as seen in this brilliant header from 18 yards out right in the top corner.


He could score from a free kick



And he can dribble through entire defenses and either finish himself or make his mediocre teammates significantly better



To top it all off he can troll with the absolute best of them


In 2013-14 Luis Suarez would have the greatest single season in the history of the Premier League. He would match the record for most Premier League goals in a single season (42 game season LOL) despite not scoring ONE penalty all season, thus making him the true goal scoring GOAT. Almost as impressive about that season, the second top scorer was Daniel Sturridge who Suarez made infinitely better. He carried a mid-table club to within a slip of the Premier League title and made a young narcissistic manager seem like a genius. He led Liverpool in scoring every full season he was with the club.

As you can see Suarez is an absolute steal at pick 16. There is literally nothing he can't do, except maybe take a penalty, but he's too good to be padding his stats with freebies. His work rate is exceptional and he will be the staple in our GOAT side. Added bonus if anyone drafts a Norwich player at any point in this draft, we automatically win a h2h due to Suarez's constant, persistent raping of Norwich.

Final Stats
Premier League Appearances: 110
Premier League Goals: 69
Premier League Goals from Penalties: 0*



*I think

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Old 02-13-2015, 12:51 PM   #457
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People cumming all over fabregas, and ****ting on Gerrard because they only seen his worst years is so fun. The man was a beast in the early 2000s.

But I guess what is more important is to follow the general trend of lol gerrard because it's so much hype to lol at old gerrard in the English thread. Obviously Gerrard is ****ty since a few years, that doesn't erase what he's done before

But I guess knowledge of how internet works is more important than football knowledge in that kind of draft

And there's still 2 obvious PL top 10 players left out
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:52 PM   #458
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Problem with a player who has a long career long past their peak is it becomes harder and harder to remember their peak.
Agreed. Think there are a couple players suffering from this right now.
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:53 PM   #459
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I have seen all of Gerrards "good" years.
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:54 PM   #460
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Same
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:01 PM   #461
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Gerrard is over-rated. But it wouldn't have been laughable if he came out anywhere from 12-24.

IMO a lot of what he was praised for was actually a hindrance to his team. Yeah he won games on his own, but he lost a lot of games because he was trying to win them on his own. Showboat passes, shooting from range over better options. I'd take scholes and lampard over him, comparably talented technically but scholes and lampard were much more intelligent players who could adapt to any system.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:03 PM   #462
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what do you think of being a head case that karate kicked random trolls to get banned for months and months?
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:04 PM   #463
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Good write-up on Suarez, but this:

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He would match the record for most Premier League goals in a single season (42 game season LOL)
is not true.

Shearer scored 34 goals in 94/95, which was a 42 game season, but the following season the Premier League was reduced to 20 teams and he scored 31, the same as Suarez last season.

You've also included all Liverpool games in his stats when this thread is only concerned with Premier League performances.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:05 PM   #464
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Gerrard is pretty much English football in a microcosm, for better or for worse. (Mainly for worse).

So now it's Marek again right and people are on the clock now too as it is the start of the second round?
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:05 PM   #465
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Bertie and I discussed Gerrard, but my general problem with him is that you need to really focus on building completely around him.

He's been in decline, but I still remember that performance he put on in the 06 FA Cup final. That was truly him taking over a match and willing Pool to win as West Ham were going blow for blow the whole time(I've watched it again in the past 2 yrs and it's still a thrilling match imo).
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:05 PM   #466
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Bergkamp at 5 is a far worse pick than Gerrard, Bergkamp was the most beautiful to watch but not a top 10 in efficiency
RVN before better strikers like cantona, or Drogba is also worse, and lol Yaya Touré cracking the top 20 what is that recency bias
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:07 PM   #467
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Gerrard is pretty much English football in a microcosm, for better or for worse. (Mainly for worse).

So now it's Marek again right and people are on the clock now too as it is the start of the second round?
Consty has the next two picks.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:08 PM   #468
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Consty has the next two picks.
My bad, was looking at the old draft order.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:08 PM   #469
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what do you think of being a head case that karate kicked random trolls to get banned for months and months?

Not a lot in a draft that was based on ability at their peak in the premier league in a vacuum.

If disciplinary issues were a factor in this then Suarez would go undrafted
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:09 PM   #470
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Gerrard is over-rated. But it wouldn't have been laughable if he came out anywhere from 12-24.

IMO a lot of what he was praised for was actually a hindrance to his team. Yeah he won games on his own, but he lost a lot of games because he was trying to win them on his own. Showboat passes, shooting from range over better options. I'd take scholes and lampard over him, comparably talented technically but scholes and lampard were much more intelligent players who could adapt to any system.
Agree with this and with your pick range except for the lampard thing, he always played in the same system at Chelsea, when the 2 were in national team it was awful to watch, we can't only blame Gerrard for not being able to adapt as both were totally terrible playing together

There's a good chance that you put lampard in liverpool mess and gerrard under mourinho GOAT side and you can say pretty much that lampard was not smart and gerrard was
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:09 PM   #471
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lol @ there being 10 players better than yaya IN THE HISTORY OF THE MULTIVERSE

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Old 02-13-2015, 01:10 PM   #472
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Good write-up on Suarez, but this:



is not true.

Shearer scored 34 goals in 94/95, which was a 42 game season, but the following season the Premier League was reduced to 20 teams and he scored 31, the same as Suarez last season.

You've also included all Liverpool games in his stats when this thread is only concerned with Premier League performances.

Yea I'm aware Shearer and Suarez scored the same amount of goals. So did Ronaldo btw. That's why I used the word "matched"

Ok so Premier League is 110 games played, 69 goals scored, 0 from penalties* I'll edit appropriately.

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Side note, there are entirely too many FIFA videos on youtube. Nerds. And I'm proud of myself for not including one compilation in my write-up. Do the work and find the individual clips of the GOATest goals. Every elite player should have an elite song. I enjoy seeing those in the write-ups as well
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:12 PM   #473
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lol @ there being 10 players better than yaya IN THE HISTORY OF THE MULTIVERSE

ow sorry Cantona only has a 6 minute youtube compilation, Yaya has a 14 minutes one you must be right
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:12 PM   #474
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I wish people would start showing some work when seriously claiming that X player is better than Y player.

RVN has amazing score points. Anyone who can score 44 goals in 52 appearances (all comps) is not so easily dismissed imo. Whist that is obviously not just EPL goals, it goes some way to showing his ceiling.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:12 PM   #475
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That Suarez hat trick stat is a nonsense too "every 20 games" if shearer picked out a peak period of 2-3 years he would be ahead of that.
Suarez arrived close to his peak, left at his peak, spent his whole time in the division with a club in the top half (who flat tracked teams a lot) and had only two other players in his squad who could identify a set of goal posts, let alone score between them.

Not saying it's a bad pick, it isn't, but that's a flawed stat
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