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01-16-2017 , 03:00 AM

#901

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Most likely it just saved us the pain of Ben marching down for a FG though.

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01-16-2017 , 03:03 AM

#902

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That's why people are calling you out for complaining. Holding gets called sometimes and other times it doesn't. It was holding, and it was called. There were missed calls on both sides like any game.

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01-16-2017 , 03:06 AM

#903

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

It's holding. It just doesn't always get called. So to call it in that spot is a sore spot with Chiefs fans as we have a history of refs making huge calls to cost us playoff games. In 1990 there was a phantom holding call on a running play that cost us the Miami playoff game.

Bringing up a call from 1990?

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01-16-2017 , 03:20 AM

#904

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You never forget your first prison rape.

Nothing will ever hurt as bad as that game.

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01-16-2017 , 03:22 AM

#905

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Originally Posted by GusJohnsonGOAT

Most would agree that calls which get called sometimes and not called sometimes should not be called in the most crucial moment late in the game. Most prefer the refs err on the side of swallowing their whistles in those either/or spots.

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01-16-2017 , 03:23 AM

#906

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Yeah well this was a holding call that maybe kept your QB out of the hospital. So be thankful.

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01-16-2017 , 03:50 AM

#907

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Wow Suzzer.... making a ton of posts about terrible calls and complaining about officials.... good thing you're not a Steelers fan or OH BOY amirite?!?!

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01-16-2017 , 03:51 AM

#908

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Huh? It getting called makes no difference, it's the hold itself that maybe saved smith. I agree with suzzer for the most part. It happens all the time and just seems to randomly get called. Von miller gets held like that all game every game and might get it called once, maaaybe twice in a game if the ref is trying to make a statement. In that spot yes the refs should err on the side of letting them play even though that is not how it should be in an ideal world. But we also don't want our games to take 7 hours because there's 50 flags thrown a game

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01-16-2017 , 04:04 AM

#909

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Wow Suzzer.... making a ton of posts about terrible calls and complaining about officials.... good thing you're not a Steelers fan or OH BOY amirite?!?!

Or because he still only has half the posts banana man has itt. Or his team actually lost. Or the game is over.

But yeah, still not a great look

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01-16-2017 , 04:10 AM

#910

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Ultimately, the teams played twice and Pittsburgh dominated both games, albeit not on the scoreboard of this one. Both teams came in wanting to stop the other's playmakers. Bell ran all over them, and Bryant made enough plays. Kelce was almost a net negative and Tyreek Hill was largely irrelevant. It was in Kansas City and they were getting their head caved in for the majority of the game and getting outgained 3-1. Only some good red zone defense and some bad coaching made this close. Blaming a correct call is laughable when you got beat up all day on your home field.

Last edited by napoleoninrags2; 01-16-2017 at 04:14 AM. Reason: When I say laughable, I mean for Kelce. It's a bad look. Not referring to Suzzer. He's simply venting.

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01-16-2017 , 04:15 AM

#911

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Harrison would've flattened Smith into the turf for a bone-crushing sac. The hold saved the play and the QB.

It occurred right by the QB - it couldn't be ignored. It's laughable to say that it shouldn't have been called. Obvious and directly affecting the play - that gets called every time.

That's what the roundtable group of NFL players on ESPN were saying, and they were literally laughing at opinions to the contrary, including especially Kelce's silly rant.

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01-16-2017 , 08:01 AM

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That's not holding in today's NFL, it doesn't get called if Harrison's foot doesn't slip out it, but they called it based on how it looked. He doesn't get to Smith either he was already pushed way too far upfield.

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01-16-2017 , 09:34 AM

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Harrison would've flattened Smith into the turf for a bone-crushing sac. The hold saved the play and the QB.

Speaking of things that are laughable. Harrison never got close to Smith and would have been pushed to far up field, with or without the hold, to make a sack.

That being said, yes it was a hold. Yes, holds like that happen all the time and often aren't called. What the **** are we arguing about

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01-16-2017 , 01:45 PM

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People are defending the holding call (or are they all Pitt fans)? Guy went with a speed rush and Fisher stayed with him and pushed him by the QB which was textbook, the dude then fell and Fisher's arm went around his neck, neither intentionally nor impacting the play at all. Also, the ball was already out. Just an absolutely dreadful call especially in that spot

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01-16-2017 , 03:29 PM

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Wrapping your arm around a rusher's neck textbook itt.

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01-16-2017 , 03:40 PM

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I agree it's holding. But Steelers fans bitching about the helmet to helmet penalty was worse.

Without going back and looking, it seemed like, with a couple exceptions, most people were agreeing the call was right, but questioning what the defender was supposed to do in that spot. He led(kinda) with his shoulder, and went low. Unfortunately, the receiver was on his way down and was only a couple feet off the ground when he got hit. Right call, but tough spot for the defender. They don't want to go at people's knees in that spot either.

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01-16-2017 , 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

If you actually watch the replay, Fisher's arm was across Harrison's chest and grasping the shoulder pads and his other arm was in Harrison's lower back. When Harrison went down, the ball was not out at that point.

Did it impact the play? No. Was it a penalty? Yes. Did Harrison slip or dive? Maybe. Should penalties be called or not called based on the magnitude of the situation? I'll leave that one open.

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01-16-2017 , 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zdye724

Put a dog collar around your neck, and chain it to a post. Now run at full speed. See whether your feet slip out. Repeat until you understand.

And lol at "did it affect the play? no". The panel of actual NFL players all agreed that it obviously did. But what do they know compared to zdye724? Silly retired all-pro professional football players with their uninformed views on football, probably too many concussions to understand textbook neck blocking.

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01-16-2017 , 08:30 PM

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he's defending the call

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01-16-2017 , 08:37 PM

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Relax there buddy. Based on where Smith was relative to where Harrison was taken down, and when the ball was released, I'm pretty sure Harrison wasn't getting to him in time. But that's results oriented thinking, and I've already gone on record saying it's an obvious penalty. There's a great angle upfield from where the ref has a crystal clear view of the hold.

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01-16-2017 , 08:54 PM

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Yeah even as a die-hard Chiefs fan - I posted in the thread at the time that it didn't really seem fair to the defender - who was legitimately trying to break up the pass. It's not like he had even a half-second to see the pass wouldn't be caught.

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01-16-2017 , 09:05 PM

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guess you hafta try to break up the play with your hands or something?

you certainly can't do that anymore

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01-18-2017 , 03:08 PM

#923

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FWIW - chiefsplanet is convinced both OLBs took a dive on that 2pt conversion. They said the other OLB went down and was barely touched (no video yet). Which if true is a very smart play on Pitt's part, as they know Reid probably has a very quick hitter play dialed up. Well played.

Harrison definitely hams it up a bit. But Fisher also needs to be able to square up better to prevent that.