Prob the same reason the NBA lets old fat vaccinated All-Star centers play. Makes no sense

LFC there's a special place in hell for people who don't follow the science

To spread the miracle of 5G to the masses LDO

You are basically stating the obvious, that we are learning as we go. It's a novel virus and a new vaccine. I don't get your point. In that last paragraph you are trying to mock the vaccine guidance and yet what you write is basically correct. Most unvaxxed who died of Covid would still be alive if they got the vaccine.

I suppose you are arguing that eventually the vaccines will be completely useless and we should have just not worried about who gets the vaccine or not. Which is clearly a false premise based on all the data.

That's been the "evolving" argument of the antivaxxers this entire time. Basically because we weren't accurate about everything about a new disease from day one, Fauci and other public health officials are liars who can't be trusted. It is a childlike worldview.

we have numbers on this bolded.

lfg


also, the last unvaxxed nhl player got it

i wonder if lebron joined team arod and team kyrie

team dum dude? yeah he never left

Follow the science follow the fauci hide your beagles

Change thread title to Antonio Brown, k thx

The list allows for ties imo

Does he have it? Last I heard he's been testing negative but has symptoms. Any how at this rate the entire league will have had it by seasons end.

Fauci has admitted lying multiple times and has zero credibility left. I was naive at the beginging of the pandemic and didn't realize he's basically a politician at this point. When this all started I was someone who wanted to hear what he had to say every day. I was home bored like most of you and would watch the press conferences waiting for Trump to finish saying whatever horse **** he had to say so I could listen to Fauci. I can absolutely understand a medical expert like him changing his view on something when he's given more data as time goes on. That's perfectly reasonable. I can't trust a word he says when he is intentionally deceitful.

The thing is science changing is legitimate. That's perfectly valid. But it also means the vaccines were given out when we had nothing but extremely short term data. Anyone who took this vax, myself included is a guinea pig. I can't begrudge anyone, especially someone young and healthy like Rodgers for wanting to see more long term data on this vaccine before taking it, if they decide to take it at all.

I'd like to see an approximation of how many lives he cost and how much worse the pandemic exploded because the early advice not to mask for the public. One, they should have had them stockpiled, and two, he should have said make home made ones if saving them for medical personnel. Seems he cost tens of thousands of lives, maybe hundreds of thousands with that crap ... and they knew in 1918 that masks were critical against such diseases, but said they didn't when this hit. Yup, mealy mouthed politician reading his own press clippings.

That damnable Fauci and his disbanding of our pandemic response team and then refusal to share the federal medical supply stockpile in a timely manner.

He truly is a sick son of a *****

This hindsight thinking is insane. Homemade masks weren't getting anywhere. The world ran out of toilet paper, paper towels etc for months. Do you guys just forget what the first few months of the pandemic was like? People absolutely would have hoarded masks making them unavailable for Frontline workers. It's genuinely insane to take the opposite side of this argument.

It took over half a year for sanitizer supply to normalize, and that **** is super easy to produce.

Trump being incompetent doesn't magically make Fauci trustworthy. When you're a medical expert and you keep lying to the public about a pandemic don't be surprised when people stop giving a **** what you have to say.

good so after you take one for the team then you gotta resign cause your credibility is shot. but fauci has an ego and wants to be a politician. he's been lying all the time and has go to go.

now lets get back to how great aaron rodgers is. pack are winning the super bowl this year and that's gonna be real awkward for the nfl!

Lol, dude is *80* has never shown an inkling of political ambition, but its coming any day now. Probably just saving that run for office for his 90s.

This is your brain on right wing news.
Completely untethered from reality.

I dont get American centrism. People look at issues like this and the dumbest among us pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist. I'm barely 30, but remember a handful of other illnesses where Asian countries masked up. I also remembered this pandemic, where western nations without years of stockpiles, did not recommend such. The USA was not alone in this, it was a Western orthodox.

You can also look at the *present day* where mask effectiveness is not questioned by scientists yet half of Americans won't wear one while 1000+ die a day. It wouldn't have mattered at all for the "doing my own research" crowd.

It's got NOTHING to do with the rest of the world. I'm not some US centric clown who thinks this was all some grand conspiracy against Trump ignoring what's going on in the world. Fauci has admitted to lying MULTIPLE times to the public during the pandemic. Not the science changed so he came to a different conclusion based on new evidence- flat out lying. Who knows how many other times he has lied to us. He has no credibility at this point. It's hard enough to get the science for a new virus right with ever changing information- i don't need the lead expert lying to me in the process.

When you repeatedly deceive people to get them to do what you want them to do you stop becoming believable even when you then give good advice.

Hell you talk about masks- he still acts like all masks are the same. Most of the masks people wear are pure garbage and a ton of people don't even wear those correctly. In March 2020 masks and especially n95s may have been hard to come by. Almost 2 years later they aren't and they haven't been for a long time.If people are going to be told to wear masks for safety they should be told to wear n95 masks correctly and not the shithouse masks most people wear giving them a false sense of security.

How long term should the data be for your liking. When working age people got access to the vax (admittedly earlier in the US than here), millions of high risk old people had already become data points. The AZ complications among young people were also flagged very quickly and accordingly they stopped giving it to youngs. If you want to call those people guinea pigs ok, but people talk about waiting for long-term effects like there's a chance they'll suddenly grow a third arm a year after the shot (or anything else, really). That type of long term effect only exists in people's minds, with any vaccine.

The people who are mad at Fauci 2 years after they didn't recommend masks and the people mad at Powell etc 2 years after them saying Iraq had WMDs are two separate circles.

I said long term data meaning both how well the vaccine works and any possible long term effects.
We are guinea pigs.
That was my choice but it's it what we are.

If a few months was normal to determine how well vaccines worked and how safe they were then that's what we would always do.And we obviously don't do that.

In January we thought they worked pretty well.
By March or April it was they worked even better than we could have hoped for in testing and breakthroughs were extremely rare.
Now we see they don't work nearly as well or last nearly as long as we would have hoped.

I think they're still a net positive overall and a no brainer for the old/high risk and not so clear cut for younger people.