bye bye, see nearly everyone here, even when i disagree with them, i rarely view them as stupid (average intelligence here quite high and there's often great discussion as a result) and even if so then they are usually at least humorous, interesting, or kind

sadly you offer none of those traits

you may notice i disagreed with several itt, and it was a simple interaction with everyone else but you

keep on with your toxic posting and tossing out "big man" insults like the real champ you surely must be when away from the keyboard

For the "fauci lied" crew, can you post specific quotes that show a clear lie? We've had *zero* posted itt, which seems weird!

here we go!

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...he-white-house

defends Birx because "she had to play politics" while claiming he was outspoken against Trump and yet you would struggle to find anything other than a tactfully done neutral statement when asked about Trumps policies while Trump was in office

if he felt this way all along and as he claims was totally independent, then where was the disagreement while the president was in office? why did he wait until a new administration to come in to decide to attempt doing his job he way he thought it should be done?

but all this aside, dude is 80, you wouldn't even want an 80 year old as your pesonal doctor

Those aren't lies though, it's having empathy for someone who had to be around Donald Trump.

we all know he deliberately lied about masks which he has admitted. It would have even been a beneficial lie if "two weeks to stop the spread" actually worked but here we are almost 2 years later. Overall it was detrimental.

He also lied about herd immunity-

From last December's NYT

"In a telephone interview," McNeil continues, "Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goalposts."

"He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks."
Fauci's confession:

"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really donÂ’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent."


This is before Delta even came out.
It's not just because of the science changing by his own admission.
I don't need medical experts being intentionally deceitful. I don't need him moving goal posts which is honestly what a lot of the vaccine stuff sounds like to a lot of people.

They went from amazing, to better than we could have hoped for earlier this year, to worse than originally hoped for to not lasting that long at all. Personally I think that's more learning as we go than actually moving goal posts in this case but I can understand why people hesitant to get the vaccine would think otherwise. This is a good reason for medical experts not to be deceiptful.

I can understand why young healthy people don't want something they probably don't need that they're going to have to keep getting boosters for every few months when a lot of the science is still up in the air. I can understand why someone super low risk wants to see how the science evolves while (hopefully) a much better longer lasting vaccine is developed. Call that selfish if you want- it cuts both ways. Old/high risk people asking young healthy people to drastically alter their lives in the prime of those lives primarily for the old/high risk's benefit can been seen as selfish as well.

I'm sure he's lied about other things to get people to do what he wants.

Put it this way- if he knew every young person in this country getting the vax would stop covid and help the country overall, but would increase the chances of young people only getting sick/dying he tell them all to get it for the greater good. He's literally told people to put their own health at risk for the greater good already while lying. I can't blame anyone who thinks he'd do it again and is looking out for their own well being.

he def lied about masks. and even admitted it afterwards. not sure if the other stuff are actual lies but they def made assertions they had no evidence for like with the masks not being required and the vaccine preventing all transmission. they had no idea about that stuff and instead told people it was all good.

its pretty insane that Fauci is still in place. he was awful and he became the face of Covid screwups. he should be long gone so that someone else can be in charge. its dumb politically too bc it only hurts Biden.

this isnt really the calculation tho. plenty of people 30+ have had a really bad time with Covid even with a full recovery. being sick for days or weeks, losing smell/taste, missing work, and passing it on to loved ones.

why do they need to keep getting boosters? I mean if they dont get them then eventually they just go back to square one but you make it seem like if you get the first shot and then dont get anymore then you will somehow be worse off.

theres literally no downsides to the vaccine. it sucks that it doesnt work as well as we hoped and as Fauci said but I sure dont want to fade .1% of death and much higher chance of feeling shitty for a few weeks.

you make it seem like there is a ton of risk or sacrifice with this. theres no indication this is the case. theres plenty of indication that Covid sucks and is BAD TIME.

I mean, hes done enough effed up **** that I am sure you are correct but hes also done enough effed **** that you dont need to just make up hypotheticals. also, all of these ghouls would do this too.

Not just a much higher chance of felling shitty for a few weeks. There’s some scary long term effects from catching covid.

This is from his emails and I would give it the ultimate weight in truthfulness since it is for a colleague, not media:


In one message, Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, replies to an email from Sylvia Burwell, believed to be the Sylvia Burwell who was health and human services secretary for three years under President Barack Obama. Burwell had asked for advice about wearing face masks while traveling. Fauci's reply is dated February 5, 2020, and is available in a document cloud provided by Buzzfeed.

Fauci wrote: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

He added: "I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location."

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in
keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material."


https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-said-...eveals-1596703


He initially said masks are useless, then went full mask-tard. He claimed he said this because he didn't want a run on masks. I think the email reveals his true feelings and actually makes sense to me.

I dont think that quote is *great*, but its not terrible either? Where I live in Canada we've had a mask mandate for about ~16 months now, with a brief ~10 day respite in July this year.

Despite them being mandatory you still see so many people wearing them improperly, taking them off to talk to people etc. Cases locally have been quite low since August, but I see hundreds of people a day wearing a mask improperly or not at all despite a mandate.

Obviously this has to be even worse in places without a mandate. I just dont think its advantageous to MMQB the pandemic in this way. To treat doctors and medical professionals like a coach who just made a bad call on 4th down is not a good way to handle things. We shouldn't be treating Fauci like Mike Zimmer.

What about that quote is wrong?

Masks won't prevent the actual Coronavirus from penetrating it because it's too porous and the virus is too small. It will stop spit, mucus, and other nasty **** in which Covid travels tho, which is why they're a solid idea to wear. It's why morons always post those "If underwear can't stop a fart, why can masks stop Covid????" memes, because they don't understand how Covid spreads.

is ... is that the extent of the "fauci lied" stuff? sad!


i mean don't get me wrong, the guy sucks and should be out on his ass, but kinda just assumed there was more to it
(real or otherwise)

see here's the thing

people like fauci and such are there specifically to offer their expertise

they are not there to be rubber stamp yes men, they are there to prevent exactly what happened from happening

fauci was defending a woman who was there in the room with trump nodding her head and agreeing with his statement that they were looking into injecting bleach and sunlight into people

she's supposed to be there to prevent that exact sort of nonsense from happening

now i say this knowing that she was in a difficult situation, had she disagreed then she would have likely been fired that very day - but that's why she's there, if she doesn't stand up then she's ignoring her duty as a public servant

when you're in the same room as the president and he's telling the country to inject bleach into their arms and then goes to her for approval mid sentence, that's not the time to nod your head and agree that you'll look into that possibility, this is the opportunity to disagree publicly and then tender your resignation - as fauci should have done as well

the entire role they serve are as medical experts to provide their expertise, when the president says "we should inject bleach into our arms" this is when you separate yourself from north korea and the banana republics and say no instead of meekly nodding your head worried about keeping your job

people like fauci and birx prioritized having a job over doing a job, we have a long tradition of people in their posititions resigning, that's what they should have done as well

trump may have lit the dumpster fire, but they stood by and when he asked them to pass the matches they did so - he was only able to bungle this the way he did because of meek and sycophantic people like fauci who just wanted to have their prestigious title instead serving the public as they are supposed to be doing

when people like fauci stop doing their job and nod their head in approval waiting until a new administration arrives to speak up then we're no different than a banana republic

They don't control what happens though, the politicians do. People can give Trump the best advice, it wouldn't matter.

It would be way better if Birx, Fauci etc controlled policy and not Trump, Desantis etc. That's not the case though.

You want someone to stand up to Trump and be fired or resign. What good does that do? We saw it with the rest of the administration. They'll find a lackey.

i agree this would happen

but it doesn't matter, they have a moral obligation to exit, non resignation is an endorsement and validation and they even literally stood next to him and nodded their heads in agreement so it went beyond simply "fighting the fight internally and quietly" but birx outright endorsed the injecting bleach on the spot as trump told the public they would work on that

if you are the kind of person who doesn't resign under those circumstances then you're not fit for public service imo - i wanted to punch a hole in the wall when i heard biden was keeping an 80 year old yes man with no moral compass in office for yet another term

Are we still rolling with breakthrough cases being super rare? Or have we changed that narrative as well?

Breakthrough cases will be less and less rare as time increases. That's the unfortunate reality of linear time and the limited nature of vaccines, Covid or otherwise.

Huh. I thought I was looking into a Rogers is a Moron thread. My bad.

You'll have to rewind a dozen pages or so

Aaron Rodgers is a moron and deserves the same 3 game suspensions that AB and others got. Stupid white man NFL owners don't ban one of their golden geese despite him completely deserving of it.

this is not really a good reason to not vaccine ducy

But haven't you heard? Getting COVID offers better protection to getting COVID than getting the vaccine? Hope you don't die though! And it is free!

Yeah, I'm not following where LFC thinks this is going.

Even if we agree for a second to play in his sandbox and that vaxxed and unvaxxed people get covid at the exact same rate, it does nothing to address that massive gap in serious cases and deaths that favors the unvaxxed heavily

Lmao 3 people do the exact same thing which is a federal crime and all 3 happen to be black.All get the same punishment.



One person who happens to be white does something completely different and gets a different punishment which was already agreed upon by the union and NFL before the season

Break out the race card!!




If a white player gets caught with a fake vax card he's getting 3 games also.

Nice move by that lead paint eating idiot Antonio Brown who just keeps torching money.Stiff your chef for 10k and cost yourself 330k.GJGE.


And if anyone thinks there aren't TONS of players who have used fake vax cards they're naive.The NFL just really doesn't actually care that much to investigate and even if they do if players are a little smarter than Brown it's pretty hard tk actually get caught.The NFL had to investigate Brown and company once it became public and he made it a layup for them.