US Flu deaths by year:
2016-17: 38,000
2017-18: 61,000
2018-19: 34,000
2019-20: 22,000

US Covid deaths 2020-21: 777,000

Can't speak to that 6% figure, but Covid is significantly more dangerous, to every demographic, then just about every similar disease currently possible to contract.

Those first set of figures seem low compared to what we see here in the UK. The second set of figures, if they are derived in anything like a similar way to how they are in the UK, are completely useless on a basic "from/with" level. At least here, an enormous number of people in hospital caught it while they were there with unrelated illnesses, and if they die from whatever they were in for having tested negative on arrival but positive a week later, they count, 75 years of smoking 40 a day and eating like crap is irrelevant. Clearly not every one of those 777k had a positive test three weeks ago then got shot/hit by a bus, and there's plenty of people that will have died from it, but I would not trust any raw numbers until there is proper methodology in place, and would caution anyone to look at any raw numbers without context in comparison to how many die from cancer, heart disease etc. Or just all cause deaths in general. Most people have no clue how many die every day.

I can't find the link I had for the 6% figure, I heard it quite some time ago, but it is not unreasonable to assume that once you're up at the age where you remember where you were when Dewey defeated Truman, more or less anything is quite dangerous. As to your other point, you'd then be saying that one of our MPs quoting our office of national statistics' current estimates is lying to parliament.

deutschland: "Only 11.500 at Bayern-Bielefeld today. Just under 19,000 allowed in."

usa#1: https://twitter.com/UMichAthletics/s...00209770811397


yeah apparently covid is rocking about a 1% mortality rate in general, so 6% for vulnerable sounds like it could be correct

You previously said, “we”, do you work for the NFL? I assumed “we” was the general public.

Now with regards to the NFL yes they do and should have different standards for vaccinated and unvaccinated players. Aaron and apparently GB unfortunately were able to manipulate the system.

Lots of venues and workplaces have different standards for vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

Why should the NFL have different standards if it's the spread we are concerned most about? Davante Adams contracted COVID. Then other Packers contracted COVID. This isn't an isolated incident to the Packers either. Vaccinated people can spread COVID. Yes, I understand the data says they spread it at a lower rate. They still spread COVID. The goal is to stop the spread no? Otherwise the vaccine is available to everybody who feels vulnerable and/or wants the shot. There is nothing keeping those people from getting the jab.

there was a 1st rounder prospect who didn't play last year, and at least 1 veteran who hasn't played this season due to long-term effects, in addition to murray mentioned above, and others i think

pretty sure there have been a bunch of them in every sport (and probably a lot who don't wanna talk about it), also a few who have notably worse after getting it, but i haven't been keeping a list or anything

the idea that this doesn't hurt healthy young ppl is quite bad & dangerous

I appreciate your anecdotes. Thankfully the vaccine is available for those young and healthy people to get it and protect themselves should they choose to do so.

yeah but it becomes more of a statistics thing than anecdotes when you have many examples among only a few thousand (e.g. ~450 nba, ~700 nhl, etc) of the healthiest ppl itw

LFC thank you so much for posting your thought here. It’s so good and reassuring to see the thought process someone with your opinions has. Very reassuring thanks again, please continue to post your thought process and opinions here that justify your support of Aaron as well as not to get vaccinated.

Thanks bud. I appreciate your insights as well

Okie dokie

Seems like the appropriate place for this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llpJI-4u9JU

Fully vaccinated, elite athlete, Joel Embiid who missed 9 games with COVID "I didn't think I was going to make it"

https://twitter.com/TomMoorePhilly/s...000792580?s=20

Was the 9 games missed due to a required NBA protocol? He seemed to struggle in his return only 42 points and 14 rebounds. All kidding aside it appears that even young/healthy people can get sick from covid, shocker. Imagine how much worse his symptoms would’ve been had he not been vaccinated. Good case for everyone getting vaccinated, thanks for sharing.

Now I can't imagine how much worse his symptoms would have been if he had not been vaccinated. Is this like the "it could have been worse" quotes for people who were vaccinated and died. It's funny how that conversation only works one way.

And yea he GOATed in his return, just like Freddie Freeman had a ridiculous year after we heard all about his near death COVID experiences just like JoJo. Except Freddie wasn't vaccinated at the time and JoJo was. The double standard and narrative shaping never ceases to amaze me.

It's almost like medicine isn't a one size fits all and different people are affected differently by different things

LFC,

When you see all the data regarding how much more likely it is for unvaccinated people to die of covid than those that have been vaccinated, what happens there?

Is it just an automatic "well the CDC is lying about the numbers" line or is it more of a "well [random guy i know] survived so its really 50-50".

I'm trying to figure out how someone can seemingly understand that being vaccinated prevents more serious complications from Covid in the vast majority of cases but still doesn't get think it's probably likely that Embiid being vaccinated helped limit his symptoms from being potentially life threatening.

Like, dude wore a seat belt, got in a car crash, and walked away with a broken arm and your hot take is "see, he still got hurt. Why have seat belts??"

Yeah it’s only worth it for old fat people. Young fit people like him don’t need it and it’s not clear that symptoms would be worse in a case like Embiid.

No not at all. I also look at the overwhelming majority of people who recovered from COVID with minimal to no symptoms and didn't die. I look at the lifestyles and demographics of those who were most affected by it. I look at the efficacy of natural immunity (having had COVID and recovered), etc... If I need a booster after just 2 months of having had a vaccine, and I'm not considered fully vaccinated until 14 days after having received that vaccine, I don't feel that 6 week windows are sustainable or my best approach to combatting COVID personally. Booster after booster seems to be how this is going to play out.

Again, it's not one size fits all. There is a demographic that should be taking this vaccine. There are also other ways to best prepare yourself to not be seriously affected by COVID. There are outliers in both scenarios of course, but it is your individual responsibility to do what you feel is best for you and to live with that decision.

I just don't understand how you can definitively say that his symptoms would have been worse than "I didn't think I was going to make it' You're effectively saying if he didn't get the vaccine he'd be dead which I find hard to believe

I think we can all guarantee his symptoms wouldn't have been better if he wasn't vaccinated, as there is zero evidence to support vaccination makes covid symptoms worse (and infinite evidence to the opposite), yes?

Multiple people have literally posted athletes whose careers have been ruined by covid itt, which you refuse to even acknowledge. Embid could easily have been one of those if he wasn't vaccinated.







Nobody young and healthy ever dies from covid. Unless you actually care to look and pull your head out of the sand.

No one ever said young and healthy people ever die from COVID. Young and healthy people have a WAY better chance of beating COVID or having COVID being minimal to no symptoms than old fat unhealthy people. You're providing examples, which are valid, but those examples are very very very far from the norm. Again, those people made a decision that they felt was best for them and are responsible for their outcome

People are stupid. They can't make good decisions for themselves. Why does so much of the population live paycheck to paycheck despite varying amounts of income? Because they are dumb and can't look past the now.

Agree with you there. The amount of people that are overweight, eat fast food and drink soda, smoke cigarettes etc... completely blow my mind. It is what it is thought and I don't think those people care or want the government making decisions for them though

Yes smoking is a stupid health decision people make, just like not taking the vaccine agreed. Also a good example as both impacts others. Smoking through 2nd hand smoke. Not taking the vaccine as you’re more likely to spread covid and have more severe symptoms requiring the possibility of taking up limited medical resources such as ICU beds. Good points.