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Potentially good for the Patriots' cap, I think I read something that they'd be more likely to recoup bonus money,and get a cap adjustment for it, if he was indicted for murders that occurred prior to signing his extension.

If they actually have to get the money back before the cap credit (or a conviction), that obviously could take years, or even never happen.

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Interesting you decided to not quote the post that he is responding to anymore.

this is the original post which then sparked the follow up responses about how ya they don't deserve any $$ back.
now since I'm so bad at reading comprehension and your so condescending why don't you point out where in the posts I initially quoted they specified they were only talking about not getting cap space back and not about recovering the bonus $$?

thanks champ.

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05-15-2014 , 02:27 PM

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Although, I will say that if he had the wording in his contract that he promised there was nothing he has done that would cause him to not fulfill his contract it may be an interesting case.

paging cphoya

This is interesting, wonder if there is something like that in there.

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05-15-2014 , 02:28 PM

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OJ also gets credit for norm Macdonald's career.

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05-15-2014 , 02:29 PM

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rbk- when they're saying "you don't deserve the $ back" they're not talking about the money they paid Hernandez, but the fact that his salary counts against their salary cap.

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05-15-2014 , 02:29 PM

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I don't understand why teams should be let off the hook when their players do bad ****. If a team doesn't suffer any consequence when their players get caught, they're pretty much free rolling and have no real incentive to avoid players who are horrible human beings. New England already scored big time by virtue of Hernandez being a 4th round pick, and they should now be able to recoup what they're losing on their high risk investment? That's bull****. They took the risk in the first place by drafting Hernandez and should now have to live with it.

This is especially true when it comes to PEDs in baseball. Teams like NYY shouldn't be able to recoup ANYTHING from A-Rod because if they can, then teams would be correct in encouraging their non-elite players to take PEDs since it would be a huge free roll for the franchise.

There ya go, champ. You quoted this post, which was OBVIOUSLY talking about the cap hit. The poster in question came in right after your stupid post and told you you understood it wrong. You're right they didn't "specify they were only talking about not getting the cap space back", but that's where reading comprehension comes in. It was exceptionally clear.

edit: ffs, "recouping bonus money" (in the post you quoted) is the cap hit. That was the entire concern, as that would be the cap penalty. I'm quite sure no one really cared about Kraft's bottom line, especially when that was preceded by "Potentially good for the Patriots' cap".

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05-15-2014 , 02:30 PM

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rbk- when they're saying "you don't deserve the $ back" they're not talking about the money they paid Hernandez, but the fact that his salary counts against their salary cap.

HOW CAN YOU JUST ASSUME THIS THEY DIDNT MAKE IT EXCEPTIONALLY CLEAR!!!!!!!

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05-15-2014 , 02:32 PM

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rbk- when they're saying "you don't deserve the $ back" they're not talking about the money they paid Hernandez, but the fact that his salary counts against their salary cap.

they were responding to someone talking about
1) recovering bonus $$ from AH
2) getting cap space back

pls show me where they specified they were only in favor of #2 n not #1.

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05-15-2014 , 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by riverboatking

they were responding to someone talking about
1) recovering bonus $$ from A
2) getting cap space back

pls show me where they specified they were only in favor of #2 n not #1.

See my edit, bonus $$ is the cap hit. They are one in the same. It's a prorated bonus the Pats are paying. It was all paid up front but split over the life of the contract.

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05-15-2014 , 02:34 PM

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I think they are saying that a team should forfeit the cap hit if they take a risk on a scumbag and he turns out to be a scumbag.

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So by your definitions:

scumbag = serial murderer

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I don't see how you jump to this conclusion.

You said "turns out to be a scumbag", which is a far cry from "turns out to be a serial murderer". That's how he came (not jumped) to that conclusion.

What if a team drafts a "known nice guy" like Tim Tebow and he is found to be a killer?

How do you define "scumbag"?

People are getting ridiculous itt. I hate the Pats as much as the next guy but to pretend they should have known Aaron Hernandez was a killer is absurd. That's a bit beyond their scope of capabilities.

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oh I see.
didn't realize the patriots organization didn't actually want to recover any $$$ from AH and were only going thru those motions to get cap space back.

ITT ppl think NFL teams are totally fine letting murderers keep millions of dollars in bonus $$$ just as long as they get cap space back.

so chim lemme ask you, let's say the NFL snap gave them the cap space, do you think they would stop trying to recover the bonus $$$ from AH?

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now since I'm so bad at reading comprehension and your so condescending

You don't think your entrance into this discussion was at all condescending? lol at complaining about people condescending to you.

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ITT ppl argue that serial killers more entitled to contact $$$ than NFL teams.

You mock a straw man argument in an effort to make people look dumb then whine about people being condescending to you? Sick life.

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05-15-2014 , 02:40 PM

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Is anyone betting on this. I am wondering what the odds are and want to take money on the side that if it goes to trial he is NOT GUILTY for the murder. Is anyone taking the guilty side and know the odds that I should be laid+good place to escrow. We could wait to escrow the money before trial.

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05-15-2014 , 02:40 PM

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No one in this thread cared about Robert Kraft getting the money back. They cared about the cap hit. So your question about what the Pats want isn't relevant to your post about "people ITT wanting murderers to have money over NFL teams".

No one argued that AHERN deserved the money, they were speculating on what would happen with the cap hit.

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See my edit, bonus $$ is the cap hit. They are one in the same. It's a prorated bonus the Pats are paying. It was all paid up front but split over the life of the contract.

ok I may be confused cuz I dunno how contracts are structured.
I am operating under the assumption that AH was paid a hefty amount by the pats up front which they are now trying to get back.

if that is not the case I stand corrected.

someone talked about them getting the $$ back AND recovering cap space made it seem like two correlated things.

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05-15-2014 , 02:42 PM

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Indicted for double murders:

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...le-murder-2012

Dude was doing work on and off the field. What a sicko killing bastard.

won't be convicted if so will win in appeal. their case is almost 100% circumstantial evidence.

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So now we have Aaron Hernandez - 3, OJ Simpson - 2, Ray Lewis - 1. Does anyone have 4?

Rough beat for Rae Carruth that his son survived or else he could be up there with OJ. Also, apparently he gets out of prison in a few years, if a premeditated assassination of your pregnant girlfriend isn't enough to get life, wtf is?

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05-15-2014 , 03:34 PM

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Marvin Harrison has at least one confirmed kill.

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Marvin Harrison has at least one confirmed kill.

THAT'S ALL SPECULATION!!!

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ITT ppl argue that serial killers more entitled to contact $$$ than NFL teams.

Deserve got nothin to do wit it

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won't be convicted if so will win in appeal. their case is almost 100% circumstantial evidence.

If only you'd been there to point this out they might never have filed charges!

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05-15-2014 , 03:55 PM

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The NFL's All-Serious Crimes Team:

QB: Vick
Can prob go Rape here, but blah, blah wasn't convinced, blah blah
HB: OJ
WR: Marv
WR: Plax
TE: AHern
C: Barret Robbins (A funny thing happened on the way to the Super Bowl)
G: Newton (Sooo much weed)

DT: Tank
DE: Leo Little
MLB: Ray Ray
OLB: LT
CB: Pacman

Assuming we fill in the gaps with replacement levels players, how many wins does this team get with players at or near their primes next year

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Indicted for double murders:

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...le-murder-2012

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05-15-2014 , 04:00 PM

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Rae Carruth didn't kill people to lose his spot to a dude who just stuck a gun in his damn pants.

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Rae Carruth didn't kill people to lose his spot to a dude who just stuck a gun in his damn pants.

Yeah but lolNY gun laws meant he did almost two years upstate, that can't be ignored. He can play in 3WR sets.

Realized I kind of fudged that because i opted not to include Rape but did include Marv. I think I'd take Rape at QB over Vick, although peak Vick...

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