Yeah, holle should have known better and there is justification for some type of conviction for supplying people you know are criminals and intend to commit crimes with aid in doing so. but LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE?

its almost as if there is a small group of individuals whose wealth is correlated with the number of people in prison

Who knows, but before today I had always thought it was ridiculous that hernandez's draft stock dropped because of the rumors of "failed drug tests". Now I think that was code for "chills with too many gang members" and it wasnt undeserved

ya ppl can be dumb, but 3 ppl can be that dumb? Find it hard to believe that it was a planned hit, and the plan was to just dump the body on the street.

wth is so crazy about that? i don't agree with drug laws in general but 3 years for possessing a pound of pot seems pretty expected.

concussions man

they absolutely can be that dumb

i can see a scenario where the 3 guys came up with a FOOLPROOF plan to ditch the weapon, and were totally convinced that since that would work, there would be nothing directly connecting them to the murder. Either way a dude they were connected to shows up dead less than a mile away from AH's house and close to his rental car- insanely dumb decisions were made in that process

three dumbasses together do not create intelligent thought simply because they are now a group

If the 3 of them all drove back to AH's house together in the same car without the victim, how did Hernandez' rental car end up at the crime scene? They purposely went back and dropped off a damning piece of evidence?

"A law enforcement official tells FOX 25 Hernandez appears to be directly tied to the homicide which is why authorities executed a search warrant at his home Tuesday night. According to the same source, Hernandez, Lloyd, and two other men were at a bar in Boston the night of the homicide, and at some point, the four men left together in a car driven by Hernandez which was confirmed by a text Lloyd sent another friend, the source says.

It is unclear where the car went or what happened during the ride, but according to the source only three men returned to Hernandez's home at the end of the night and Lloyd was not one of them.

The source also says forensic evidence places a vehicle driven by Hernandez at one of the crime scenes in this case."

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/226...led-a-homicide

i would bet money that the only reason he hasnt been arrested yet, or that he wasn't "officially named as a suspect" yesterday and today is that the cops were so certain they had the goods on him and his friends that they didnt need to, and can do this slowly

He's so ****ed

the minute it was brought to the attention of the police that this dude lloyd turned up dead, where he did, the police would be 100% aware that the universe of people who potentially could have killed him is not large

only question now is who in the crew takes the blame, and how that gets negotiated

Not saying intelligent, but the more people the less likely it is an obvious error is made imo.

OTOH athletes often hang out with yes men, which could mitigate this group effect.

what more likely story is there to believe?

fwiw it doesn't necessarily have to be planned. maybe things escalated in a hurry.

everything about this post makes sense except for ESPN editor rejecting info on that basis of journalistic excellence. seems like they will report the most specious of speculations to fill hyperactive news cycles.

hmmm. When I hung out with a bunch of buddies in high school, it seemed as if we all got stupider simultaneously.

But in the current case, there was likely alcohol and/or drugs involved which undoubtedly impaired the judgment of at least some of the group.

i disagree, the kind of specious speculations they do constantly report are of a different sort. as a big top tier media outlet you can't just openly mention and publicize a story about an NFL player like him illegally carrying and firing a gun if there is no solid evidence. The victim in question refused to finger him so how can ESPN report it? Not the same as suggesting a trade rumor with no evidence, or suggesting someone is cheating on their wife.

that suit has been out there for months, at least since april. the outline of what happened was probably brought to the attention of ESPN, in some form, very shortly after. But on its own, with the victim refusing to finger anyone, there is no story to report on.

There is a good reason the past shooting lawsuit wasn't publicized, ESPN can't drop something like that on shaky ground. And frankly in isolation, a lawsuit about a shooting in the absence of a criminal charge sounds like bull****, an attempt to shake a wealthy guy down for ~30k (or whatever it would end up being). There are thousands of NFL players, basically. Over a hundred (conservatively) are involved in shady **** to some degree, if ESPN didnt have the standards they did we would be hearing about crimes CONSTANTLY. Or at least hear rumors that they were.

ESPN will completely **** over any semblance of journalistic integrity when it comes to brett farve coming back, or some bull**** like that. But when criminal charges, gun charges, are involved they need something real to go on before it is out there. There is a litany of potential cases like this ESPN reporters hear about, but sit on. This one happens to be the real deal. Hernandez is ****ed.

See this is sort of the "Polar extremes" thing I was talking about.

I can't see any scenario in which he's out for just one year. If he's going down, it's for being an accessory or active participant in murder 1/2. He's going away for a long time in that case.

Edit: Basically, I don't see a real chance he "Stallworth's" this thing and is guilty of accidental homicide or something similar. He either lent a car to some guys who killed a guy without his foreknowledge in which case he gets a few games or he participated in a murder in which case the NFL is the least of his worries.

Bernie Fine tho

there was a real accuser willing to publicly state the charges on the record tho

I would be shocked, if a player the caliber of Hernandez in a state like MA with the power of the NFL and Kraft, did any time at all.