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12-22-2010 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SnotBoogy
81 goals in 108 games for ajax

16 in 38 for uruguay
a game has 90 minutes so this would make him 135 per goal if he played 90 minutes everytime.
but since i said to remove league skill differences i included only championsleauge games, thats where those 113 minutes and all other stats come from
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12-22-2010 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bjørn
Haha true.

extra extra bonus points then.

Kingweed 34 points

72off 32 points
Ra_Z 37

Only Zeestein to go with a chance to save me from the tiebreak battle.

41 for him as well. Of course. What a stupid points system this was.

Hopefully the tiebreak will sort it out.

Last edited by Bjørn; 12-22-2010 at 08:33 PM.
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12-22-2010 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
you really aren't doing a good job presenting your case, even with the stats you have. Plus I think the fact that he's been out for most of the season is reason enough to drop him several places. Players don't get to retain their position based on reputation, at least not for me.
played 15 games this season, what the **** are u talking about?
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12-22-2010 , 08:30 PM
Yaaas haven't finished last
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12-22-2010 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kingweed
Talking of rating players by stats, they spoke about that on Football Weekly somebody emailed in saying that Kenny Miller is the 4th best striker in Europe at the moment - or something like that can't quite remember.

No bad eh?
in my list he would have 1 scoringpoint every 288 minutes of a cl-game.
so actually, yea bad
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12-22-2010 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
going by ur list i would put him definitly in front of forlan (even though i loved his appearance @ the world cup) so 15 at the worst , more tending to 12 actually in front of rooney
Not my list brah, and Ribery definitely is not as good as Forlan, when we look at the past year. Its really not close imo.

- 18 goals in La Liga
- Helped lead his team to a Europa League win
- Had a monster WC
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12-22-2010 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
played 15 games this season, what the **** are u talking about?
I was thinking of Robben, my bad.

11 league games though!
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12-22-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
i never said he was better than ronaldo. i said he has better stats than the 2.best player in the world, which should be an indication that he is better than the 38.th best player.
i mean srsly, thomas müller at 28 playing for the same club for 1 season having worse numbers and totally ****ing up his very next season (this season) is better than him who absolutely crushes for 4 seasons. i mean riberys worst season was better than müllers best (in terms of stats)

You still haven't explained what points are. Also he clearly doesn't have close to the same stats that Ronaldo and Messi have:

Last 2 seasons:

Messi - 77 games/74 goals
Ronaldo- 60 games/59 goals
Ribery - 45 games/13 goals

People have said "You can use statistics to prove anything" and they are correct. I too can pick out a stat that suits my argument. Your argument that Ribery has better 'stats' than Ronaldo or Messi is absurd. To argue that he is better player than Wayne Rooney like you say below? You have to be on drugs.

You are inevitably going to cry that I didn't include assists (sorry don't know how to calculate your entirely invented 'points').

Ok fair enough, I'll indulge you:

Messi - 77 games/74 goals/29 assists
Ronaldo - 60 games/59 goals/15 assists
Ribery - 45 games/13 goals/20 assists

On what insanely deluded planet are these better stats?

Nevermind the fact that picking a few statistics is not how to rate a footballer. Especially not one in their positions.

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Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
going by ur list i would put him definitly in front of forlan (even though i loved his appearance @ the world cup) so 15 at the worst , more tending to 12 actually in front of rooney
Why in front of Rooney? He may be off form but Rooneys ability in general takes a huge **** on Ribery.
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12-22-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
Not my list brah, and Ribery definitely is not as good as Forlan, when we look at the past year. Its really not close imo.

- 18 goals in La Liga
- Helped lead his team to a Europa League win
- Had a monster WC
well since u rule out robben cause he didnt play this season, its only fair to look at the latest results of forlan, making 7 goals 2 assists in 23 games, is far from a top 15 performance in my eyes.
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12-22-2010 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
in my list he would have 1 scoringpoint every 288 minutes of a cl-game.
so actually, yea bad
That's the problem with going by these lists based on stats to base whose better than who:-

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ribery 79
messi 89
drogba 127
c.ronaldo 143
robben 153
villa 153
sneijder 165
ronney 175
nani 216
forlan 302
I don't think there is a single person itt who would say Ribery is better than Ronaldo. I really don't. Yet he's not only better than Ronaldo he's better than Messi.
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12-22-2010 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
well since u rule out robben cause he didnt play this season, its only fair to look at the latest results of forlan, making 7 goals 2 assists in 23 games, is far from a top 15 performance in my eyes.
Going on this season alone Ribery isn't even on the Bundesliga team of the season nevermind getting near a top 30 players in the world list.
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12-22-2010 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
well since u rule out robben cause he didnt play this season, its only fair to look at the latest results of forlan, making 7 goals 2 assists in 23 games, is far from a top 15 performance in my eyes.
are we not looking at the WC then?
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12-22-2010 , 08:40 PM
but ribery has more scorepoints
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12-22-2010 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
You still haven't explained what points are. Also he clearly doesn't have close to the same stats that Ronaldo and Messi have:

Last 2 seasons:

Messi - 77 games/74 goals
Ronaldo- 60 games/59 goals
Ribery - 45 games/13 goals

People have said "You can use statistics to prove anything" and they are correct. I too can pick out a stat that suits my argument. Your argument that Ribery has better 'stats' than Ronaldo or Messi is absurd. To argue that he is better player than Wayne Rooney like you say below? You have to be on drugs.

You are inevitably going to cry that I didn't include assists (sorry don't know how to calculate your entirely invented 'points').

Ok fair enough, I'll indulge you:

Messi - 77 games/74 goals/29 assists
Ronaldo - 60 games/59 goals/15 assists
Ribery - 45 games/13 goals/20 assists

On what insanely deluded planet are these better stats?

Nevermind the fact that picking a few statistics is not how to rate a footballer. Especially not one in their positions.



Why in front of Rooney? He may be off form but Rooneys ability in general takes a huge **** on Ribery.
well my stats are waaaaay more suitable than urs.

why did u think i included points per minutes?
yea ribery was injured lots of times and often played only 3minutes at the end of the game, that way flawing the results per game.

secondly i only included cl games cause that way there are no differences in skill of the opponents .

thirdly i said from the beginnig that a scoringpoint is a goal or an assist.easy as that.

and the last point is that riberys perfomance last year was his worst in 4 years, still reaching top niveau (only beaten by like 5 players international)
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12-22-2010 , 08:41 PM
too bad sirgaribaldi isnt eligible for the EPL thread homer award

he would win it without a doubt
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12-22-2010 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
You still haven't explained what points are. Also he clearly doesn't have close to the same stats that Ronaldo and Messi have:

Last 2 seasons:

Messi - 77 games/74 goals
Ronaldo- 60 games/59 goals
Ribery - 45 games/13 goals

People have said "You can use statistics to prove anything" and they are correct. I too can pick out a stat that suits my argument. Your argument that Ribery has better 'stats' than Ronaldo or Messi is absurd. To argue that he is better player than Wayne Rooney like you say below? You have to be on drugs.

You are inevitably going to cry that I didn't include assists (sorry don't know how to calculate your entirely invented 'points').

Ok fair enough, I'll indulge you:

Messi - 77 games/74 goals/29 assists
Ronaldo - 60 games/59 goals/15 assists
Ribery - 45 games/13 goals/20 assists

On what insanely deluded planet are these better stats?

Nevermind the fact that picking a few statistics is not how to rate a footballer. Especially not one in their positions.



Why in front of Rooney? He may be off form but Rooneys ability in general takes a huge **** on Ribery.
OMFG! I can't wait to see his come back.

Slow. Seen it.

You and Spurious have to come in these threads more often.
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12-22-2010 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
are we not looking at the WC then?
im not sure, robben did play a great world cup, yet u wanna rule him out.
so i guess were not looking at it
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12-22-2010 , 08:43 PM
Scorepoints are almost entirely meaningless by that definition. An assist counts as much as a goal and nothing else matters wrt copntribution? What about an assist of an assist? What about someone who won a penalty? What about successful crosses? Successful passes? So an almost entirely meaningless statistic extracted from an almost entirely meaningless sample size, going back far enough to be irrelevant. GAME OVER.
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12-22-2010 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
why did u think i included points per minutes?
yea ribery was injured lots of times and often played only 3minutes at the end of the game, that way flawing the results per game.

secondly i only included cl games cause that way there are no differences in skill of the opponents .

thirdly i said from the beginnig that a scoringpoint is a goal or an assist.easy as that.

and the last point is that riberys perfomance last year was his worst in 4 years, still reaching top niveau (only beaten by like 5 players international)
Your sample size isn't big enough to simply cite points per minute. Too much variance involved.

There is a big difference in the skill of opponents in the CL. This should be obvious.

Okay, cool now we know what a scoring point is.
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12-22-2010 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cashy
too bad sirgaribaldi isnt eligible for the EPL thread homer award

he would win it without a doubt
Man it would be disappointing not go HU for the title.
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12-22-2010 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SirGaribaldi
im not sure, robben did play a great world cup, yet u wanna rule him out.
so i guess were not looking at it
I never said anything about ruling out Robben's WC. His WC performance probably helps him! Also just imagine how many score points he would have if he had actually passed the ball to his team mates!!!

I think SirGaribaldi is Spurious' gimmick.
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12-22-2010 , 08:46 PM
Also teams in the group stages are usually pretty poor...
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12-22-2010 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
Your sample size isn't big enough to simply cite points per minute. Too much variance involved.

There is a big difference in the skill of opponents in the CL. This should be obvious.

Okay, cool now we know what a scoring point is.
while the sample is low, ribery has over 100 games in germany which show a very very similar result. acutally its very accurate for most players except messi and ronaldo since barca and real are smashing the spanish league that hardcore , but even including that ribery is as mentioned before second place behind messi , still way in front of ronaldo.

i said from the very very very first post that a scoringpoint is a goal or assist.
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12-22-2010 , 08:48 PM
only one way to settle this decisively:

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12-22-2010 , 08:49 PM
Scorepoints are my favourite concept ever tbh.
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