It's "cruel" to put females in any combat sport against males.

School was awful and I always knew I didn't need to pay attention. Myself I bypassed all that "get a white collar job" nonsense. good grief... boring. In 7th grade, I actually do remember hearing of a condition you could get if you had XY chromosomes, illness was called being a man.

wild how eager some ppl are to self-identify as stupid *******s

Even for the XY theory, we only have the word of the Russian chief crook of that organization who coincidentally decided to ban her after she had beaten a Russian boxer. They never actually disclosed any specifics, after conflicting reports about testosterone, and then XY.

Anyway, despite learning that she is not even trans, everyone from a certain camp is doubling down. Insinuating they "claimed to be a woman all along" is just very poor faith from people like this roymunson character about a person they now know was simply assigned female at birth (on account of her genitals), which is normally all these biological sex essentialists supposedly care about.

It is pathetic goal post switching and a very weird hill to die on. Surely you can find a better example than this born woman who loses like 1 in 5 of her boxing games, if you so desire to discuss this issue.

For the people arguing that this person should be allowed to compete….

(and mods, this is a serious question because I’m genuinely interested)

what evidence would you need in terms of XY chromosome, testosterone level, other evidence etc….what would you need to see for them not to be allowed to compete in female events? And I’m directing it about this person but it’s really a general question

Or are you…’’identifies as a woman, should be allowed to compete as a woman’?

Testosterone levels/testes. Testosterone is banned as a performance enhancing drug for good reason - it provides huge advantages in strength.

The primary method for categorising males athletes is therefore anyone with testes who subsequently develops secondary sexual characteristics via male puberty.

Discussion is allowed but please let’s keep it civil and don’t personally attack one another.

I believe the onus is on the people who wish to exclude this born female (possibly with a DSD) to suggest such grounds.


Maybe I missed it, but I don't think anyone in here has yet claimed that.

Testosterone seems like the easiest (impactful) thing to measure, but I'm afraid that already happens and doesn't exclude enough trans people for the people most adamant to discuss this topic.

Khelif has reportedly been excluded from competitions on both T and genetic grounds. Seems pretty clear cut.

My question to you is how do you know she was a "born female" rather than "assigned female at birth"?

It honestly seems like quite the bad faith goalpost switch to ask for more than the eyetest of the doctor who delivers a kid - since when is there even a relevant difference?

(On top of now categorically ruling out trans women, which I guess is a given for you? (unless they are somehow guaranteed to lose)).

The implication is btw that whatever exactly you suggest, it would most probably exclude a female phelps from ever competing.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/06/sport...ntl/index.html

I remembered this story vaguely from the past Olympic. Non-combat example, so it's not a direct comparison. It does bring up many of the discussion points.

I feel like its a lost cause to argue with people who think she's a man.

at this point it's very easy to see there are tons of bigots out there, eager to discriminate. so very easy for one corrupt athletic body to ban her based on bigotry, supplying no evidence, no oversight, no nothing, just arbitrarily saying she's a man.

when a coalition of countries say she's a woman. her doctor says she's a woman from birth... and who cares anyway? she didn't hurt anyone. she seems to be a mediocre boxer.

it makes me sad that people are so cruel. this poor woman has probably had a tough life, being judged and bullied.

Point differential buzzer beater - Greece misses a 3 at the buzzer to win by 6 instead of 9

Australia was live for 1st if they won, but now that they lost, they're facing a likely 3 way tie with Greece and Spain at 1-2

If Spain upsets Canada:

1 Spain 2-1, basically a lock for pot 2 as the 3rd 1
2 Canada 2-1 likely pot 3
3 Greece 1-2 live for the last spot. at -8 they are behind brazil who is 1-2 -7, but will likely jump south sudan
4 Australia 1-2 is out

If Spain beats Canada then it's a 3 way tie that goes to tie break

Greece 77-71 Australia
Australia 92-80 Spain
Spain 84-77 Greece


Canada 3-0, in pot 1 or pot 2 depending on germany/france game
Australia would be 2nd with +12, headed to pot 3
Spain would be 3rd and through to the quarters at +1 in pot 4
and Greece just misses at 4th and -1

Doubles badminton is the most watchable event of summer Olympics. Mixed pairs finals are on now. Big recommend.

interesting stat

and this Olympics there are 5k female athletes. if the ratio is the same, that would mean about 10 of them have Y chromosome

CHN lady just bit it on the trampoline

Because with DSDs, the biology of the observable sex organs may not match the chromosomes or the gonads. So, the eyetest of the doctor who delivers the kid can be wrong.

This is not in the least bit a bad faith goalpost switch, it's a simple biological truth for some DSDs.

the question is not whether she is a man, the question is whether she is male.

the medal design is HORRIBLÉ

That was a pretty good mens 10k!

Ok, Men's basketball is almost certainly locked up unless South Sudan upsets Serbia

USA and Germany to pot 1
Canada and Serbia to pot 2
Australia and France to pot 3
Spain and Brazil to pot 4


Germany can't play Brazil, so that makes it USA/Brazil and Germany/Spain

Canada can't play Aus, so that makes it Canada/France and Serbia/Aus

Not sure whether the 23 v 14 pairings are random or not, I read all the official rules I could find and didn't see it explicitly listed anywhere

If South Sudan does win by a few points then it'd be

USA / Germany
Canada / France
Australia / South Sudan
Serbia / Brazil

Then the matchups would be USA / Brazil and Germany / Serbia
and Canada / South Sudan and France / Australia

GoldenBears,

great contributions to the thread.

I'm going to have to come back on this post.
In 1972, Olga Korbut was puling moves that were banned afterwards as being too dangeruos. This is crazy good.
Watch this, the 'Death Loop'.

edit: I'll save it for a different thread.

Also, the floor routine from Nadia wasn't on a trampline like gymnasts can use today to give them all the height.