Yeah $41m is an easy franchise and let's see for Darnold, open market he definitely gets more than $100m/3, that's what Baker got for a worse season. McCarthy is the only wrinkle in the plan, but as everyone has said if McCarthy is good it's a good problem to have.

London home teams next year are Jags, Jets and Browns. You will get your slop and you'll like it

Deshaun Watson officially reported as having re-torn his Achilles, will miss "significant time during the 2025 season" per ESPN.

My book doesn't have MVP odds up any longer, but Lamar got 30 to Allen's 18 votes for first team All-Pro. Burrow got 2.

Who knows what these psychos do but maybe they split it and given Allen MVP/Lamar 1st team

Lol if Lamar wins MVP but loses tomorrow he'll have more MVPs than playoff wins

It’s a wrap.

yeah. it should be a wrap

lamar is for the nerds

you know what you call the bills without josh allen? the panthers

nice to see DYAR getting its day in the sun tho....i guess brady is the goat afterall and even more valuable than his coach, who 2+2 once gave the nod to 120-20

it's a good thing it's only a regular season award.


I still think there's very real possibility that it ends in a tie, ala McNair/Manning in '03.

That's a meh argument that could be used about any top 10-15 QB.

You know what the Phins were without Tua? the worst offense in the league.

does that mean he should be MVP? Of course not.

Yeah. There’s a reason a QB wins the award most of the time.

last 4 Coach of the Year award winners? 6 combined wins this year.

if allen/lamar switch teams, 1 team gets better, the other team gets worse and im very confident in that over a large enough sample

but i cant prove it i guess


ravens have way better players, is that clearer?

I’m not surprised you picked the one award that’s designed to reward those who overachieve and not those who are the best.

For the nerds... what does that even mean?

Also unnecessary shade thrown at Bryce Young and co.

The Ravens without Lamar are the Falcons, who just lost to the Panthers.

I actually don't even agree with this fwiw. The Phins are probably an 8 win caliber team with Tua, offense wasn't nearly as good last year even when he played.

Huntley was awful at first but he was signed off the street and thrown into starting right away.

If Huntley was signed in camp, think Phins probably only a few wins worse with him than Tua in 2024 on avg. With Hill fading, Miami offense just wasn't the same either way.


The Bills won 14 games, they would suck without Allen is my point. It is a subjective one and if he isn't gonna win MVP then so be it but just in terms of like the LeBron/Jokic who is the actual most valuable and propping their team up the most, I think it is him pretty easily.

I also feel pretty confident it would be a landslide if GMs had their pick to take 1 of the 2.

Nerds stuff said in jest. For the nerds means like he has all the advanced stats in his favor, just purely #s with no context for team surroundings, he was clearly better.

Allen has the big wins vs Det/KC late in year while Lamar got owned vs the Ealges, the iconic plays of the year, better record, hasn't lost a game in 3 months that wasn't a 44-42 score, carried a cast of no-names, the most credible candidate that is the highest seed. Basically all the stuff that used to win MVP.

I do think twitter has really changed these markets a lot, the narratives just can flip so fast now. Once Ryan Clark called Allen winning a "Charles Barkley MVP", it seemed like people were basically OK with the idea they didn't have to vote for him anymore.

I had longshots on Reid and Tomlin because I did think voters were tired of voting for the DaBoll, Stefanski, Nagy types and there was going to be some narrative flipping about what wins the award, then a team won 14 games with Sam Darnold and I figured ehh, that's gonna have to wait another time I guess

think if it was close those guys could've gotten the nod but Minnesota just outperformed too much and then if anyone was gonna supplant KOC at the end, it was gonna be the other contender that beat him in a blowout to end the year and win the division.

If Josh had won 2 already and Lamar none, Lamar wins easily

Josh shouldn't win because he hasn't won it yet and the other guy already has

perhaps but that does represent a change to say this is the #s, this is who we believe wins on merit because of it, thats all there is to it

if thats the case, you can make a pretty good case dak or purdy deserved to win last year

or brady over rodgers in 2021

Jk dobbins could win comeback player I think. Going to be interesting how many people follow the new rule and don't vote darnold.

he was 25-1 going into the final game, I thought if Cincy won to give the Chargers a reason to try and he went off against the Raiders that he could win to cap the season off. But he basically did nothing and kinda sucked all yr after a few big games early, don't think he'll win now but guess it is possible.

The Darnold/Burrow thing is definitely interesting, obviously the AP doesn't want people voting for guys like Darnold who aren't coming back from any real hardship but Burrow is kindof above the award, superstar QB making 55m a year doesn't really need his 2nd comeback player of the year. I suppose having the season he had and missing the playoffs does make him a bit of a sympathetic figure though

Once Flacco won it last year over Hamlin, the award couldn’t be taken seriously any more

Updating this because I did it the last two years and I guess this forum holds the annals for NFL regular season minority coaching records. Again, let me know if you see any mistakes:

Black:
*DeMeco Ryans 20-14-0
*Antonio Pierce 9-17-0
*Mike Tomlin 183-107-2
*Tony Dungy 139-69-0
*Anthony Lynn 33-32-0
*Fritz Pollard 8-4-1
*Marvin Lewis 131-122-3
*Hue Jackson 11-44-1
*Dennis Green 113-94-0
*Lovie Smith 92-100-1
*Mike Singletary 18-22-0
*Herm Edwards 54-74-0
*Ray Rhodes 37-42-1
*Jim Caldwell 62-50-0
*Art Shell 56-52-0
*Todd Bowles 53-65-0
*Vance Joseph 11-21-0
*Steve Wilks 9-19-0
*Romeo Crennell 32-63-0
*Raheem Morris 29-47-0
*Leslie Frazier 21-32-1
*Terry Robiskie 2-6-0
*Emmitt Thomas 1-2-0
*Perry Fewell 3-8-0
*Eric Studesville 1-3-0
*Mel Tucker 2-3-0
*David Culley 4-13-0
*Mike McDaniel 28-23-0
*Thomas Brown 1-4-0
*Jerod Mayo 4-13-0
*Total: 1167-1165-10

Middle Eastern:
*Ed Khayat 8-15-2
*Rich Kotite 40-56-0
*Abe Gibron 11-30-1
*Robert Saleh 20-36-0
*Total: 79-137-3

Hispanic:
*Tom Fears 13-34-2
*Tom Flores 97-87-0
*Ron Rivera 102-103-2 (i had this wrong before at 104-104-2, now fixed)
*Brian Flores 24-25-0
*Dave Canales 5-12-0
*Total: 241-261-4

*Total for all minority coaches: 1487-1563-17