Well I'm not sure Miami needed 2 more tiny WRs

sean payton tells reporters he baited the vikings into trading up one spot for JJ by feigning interest. he successfully duped a non-conference team (possibly burning bridges as a potential trade partner in the future) into giving a conference foe more draft capital. between that, "almost" drafting mahomes, and nix being his guy at 12, I think it's safe to say payton is an absolute wizard.

He’s my most unlikeable current NFL coach

Payton wanting Mahomes was fairly well reported even at the time. The last sentence is certainly bullshit, though, unless he's lost his mind (not impossible).

Well, they need a QB, but they couldn't get one, so I guess they just went BPA. Bowers is a good pick for them.

I think Worthy will be good. His college production profile was very strong. He's not John Ross.

Good analysis.

Also, one more time for the thread:

lol Falcons

I think J.J. McCarthy can be good

The reason I think that is because of some of his advanced numbers:

https://cfbstats.com/2023/player/418...tuational.html

Specifically, the third-and-long and fourth-down passing numbers. In the most high-leverage spots and where it was most obvious the team was going to pass, he delivered. And outside of Roman Wilson, without much in the way of NFL talent at wide receiver, and against a pretty good slate of defenses.

A lot of QBs with the typical "looks the part, doesn't pass much but Just Wins Games" profile aren't as young or efficient or even as physically talented as him. He just turned 21 in January, and with the development curve and the smaller passing sample size, there's still some variance in his possible outcomes. But the actual passing numbers make me think he has a shot to succeed.

The point re early declares is less true than it used to be, albeit it’s still IMO a truism

Now that there’s NIL money more of the underclass men who get mid to late Rd grades will now stay at school both as a business decision to hope they get drafted higher and because there’s less of them and their families suffering extreme poverty than before

I see your point, and the COVID year / extra year of eligibility complicates it even further, but I still think, even with later-declaring guys, you want them to be producing early as well. (Jayden Reed is a good example.)

I think Troy Franklin has a chance to be better than any receiver drafted on day 2.

Pretty happy with the Saints draft:

• They didn't make some ridiculous trade up in round 1, stayed put and got good value on a guy at an important position of need.
• Their trade up in round 2 didn't cost much and seemed smart strategically. (Cooper DeJean and Kool-Aid McKinstry were seen as first-round players on the media and consensus boards, and when DeJean went they moved up and only gave up a 5th and 6th. The Texans took Kamari Lassiter with the very next pick, and the Cardinals took Max Melton with the pick after that, so it seems highly likely McKinstry wouldn't have been there for their pick.
• The 5th round seems like a fine place to take a shot on a guy like Spencer Rattler. He has the talent to potentially develop into a starting QB one day, if his head is in the game and he's matured (and whatever other deficiencies he has aren't disqualifying).
• I have little to no opinion on the other guys, although Jaylan Ford seemed like good value. But the others are a 5th, 6th, and 7th-- anything we get out of them is a plus.

I don't disagee with you, but I think that short changes the receiving talent a bit, given that Cornelius Johnson was also drafted and a lot of his throws also went to TEs, of which he had 2 pros each year.

Regardless, Minnesota is a very good situation for him.

I wanted the Eagles to take him when they drafted Jalyx Hunt. It's a good pick, imo.

other than blowing it and not trading back to #7 and taking Penix there, what does the thread think about the pats picks?

Yea, espn panel including belichick said they really liked him. Me I'd like to see more talent for a first round pick. I don't watch much college at all, but these things are apparent in college for some players. I saw a youtube of Rodgers back in college, they were amazed and almost laughing at how he just flicked his wrist and zipped it 20yrds downfield. I just wouldn't want to draft JJ first round, was glad my team passed. But he could be good.

was worried mccarthy is a christian ponder redux but stats and tape tell a different story. cool fact: ponder went 12th in the nfl draft after going 61%, 6.8ypa, 20td/8int his senior year with fsu. lol vikings always.

also concerned jj benefited from favorable game scenarios and teams stacking the box, but he had stellar stats on 3rd & long... best in ncaa iirc

thinking (hoping) he's actually undervalued just due to reduced volume playing under harbaugh. decent chance o'connell -- who made goff and cousins look like ubermenschen -- can turn him into a stud.

this was o'connell's reaction after kwesi informed him they were trading up for stewart:

I think I’m good with how the Niners approached the draft operating under the assumption aiyuk isn’t being extended yet and neither him or Deebo are getting traded

One year window to slam the pedal and go all in. **** it let’s see what happens

easiest to rationalize any particular situation late april

That would have been a mistake, Maye is a significantly better prospect

I think they reached on Polk and probably that third round offensive lineman too. Javon Baker and Jaheim Bell could be steals tho

If you’ve walked a mile in my shoes you’d know that’s literally all I have

Yeah, I might be overstating it, but Johnson for example was nearly Mr. Irrelevant and a 23-year-old, not really a whole lot of NFL upside there I don't think. Compare to, say, where the guys Daniels and Penix were throwing to got drafted.

RAS scores for Daniels guys: Nabers 9.88, Thomas 9.97
RAS scores for Penix guys: Odunze 9.69, Polk 9.47, McMillan 9.33

/shrug

Yeah that's because RAS doesn't matter that much for receivers (before we even get into questions of how effectively RAS measures athleticism). It's a highly technical position. Athletic ability actually correlates negatively with day-2 pick WR success.