interesting, thanks for that


by "worth it" they mean drafting a qb that high? though i'm not sure that getting a 2nd contract means too much. we're saying that kyler, goff, wentz and bort are unequivocal wins? ehhh ok
(rg3 prob would have been good if he stayed healthy though)

and once you filter out the no-brainer #1 franchise types and looks worse; my original question was about if it's worthwhile to sell the farm for guys with lance's profile (3rd pick/3rd qb taken in his draft). so, maybe not? idk. perhaps worth the gamble still...

WTF are the niners thinking? He must be really really bad. You'd think they could at least hold on to him until some QBs start getting knocked out in the regular season and flip him for better than a 4th. Hopefully he turns into a #1 pick caliber player here or we ship him off for some much better draft capitol than we gave up.

I mean, you can look at the last 10ish drafts and the majority of QBs taken in the top 10 have been meh or busts.

Mahomes was 10th, and there's really no difference between him and some of these other high prospects except he became amazing and the others didn't.

2018 draft is a great example. Baker, Darnold, Allen, and Rosen. Baker most likely a bust, Darnold bust adjacent, Allen actually the good one, and Rosen super bust.

I think the Lance issue is that the 49ers took a high risk prospect because they had a serviceable QB, which is why it's dumb they traded all those picks. He was graded higher than Fields by many, but Fields was definitely the smarter choice for rhem since you want a QB you can refine rather than have to fully develop when you already have a usable QB.

Super sharp by Dallas. Having a QB that can mimic Dak is exactly what you want. Shocks me how few teams have figured out your backup QB should be similar to the starter. But ultimately probably the same reason why the 49ers got rid of Lance.

They're thinking hey, how about that, we got a 4th for a guy that we are thinking about just cutting?

It’s hilarious how both times the Niners took a qb in the top 5 they mismanaged it into total nothingness via buffoonery

That said the Lance situation is a fascinating case study in how absolutely everything can go wrong and create a perfect storm of idiocy. And as with all things Niners fail related I blame Jimmy **********

1. Niners have a functioning stillborn at qb and are even an average QB away from having 2 super bowls in 3 years, much less what they can do with a franchise qb

2. Niners are starting out at 12. They’re clearly going QB. Seems like they’re targeting Mac Jones, which in hindsight considering how readily they’re giving the keys to Purdy and somehow by extension Darnold, makes sense that a guy of Mac’s skillset is the ideal qb here

3. Niners want Rodgers. They trade up for 3 with the intention of trading that pick for Rodgers. It almost happens, last second trade falls through

3a. Why they needed to trade up to 3 to do this who the **** knows. I assume the packers would only do the trade if they could pick one of Lawrence, Wilson, Lance or Fields with the pick they get for Rodgers and by themselves the 3 1s aren’t getting the packers Rodgers’ replacement

4. Now the Niners are stuck with a pick they didn’t intend to actually use and have no idea what to do. Early reports are since they wanted Mac at 12 they might as well take him at 3. Mac becomes overwhelming favorite to go 3rd

5. Since that report through the draft Lynch and Kyle take ‘are you seriously taking Will ****ing Levis’ at 2 heat (justifiably) and get shamed into changing course

6. Pick Lance despite having zero ****ing clue how this is supposed to work

7. Because of covid Lance has less experience at the qb position than I think any 1st round qb ever taken. Tannehill at least played like 5 games at A&M

8. The Niners play the next season as Super Bowl contenders and as undeniably god awful as Womp is there’s no way to go trial by fire with a complete project during a Super Bowl run. Lance only plays gimmick plays basically and 1 game against arizona

9. Lance breaks his ankle. Bork

10. Gg no re

The fact that Lance is being considered a bust is such a ****ing braindead take. He has given nothing to indicate he’s anything. He never shoulda been a niner. In hindsight this was never going to work and I was stupid as **** to believe otherwise

There’s some real smugness in that Lynch comment too.

interesting

Lance seems worth a 4th to me, but maybe he is much more **** than I think. You can always take value and figure out how to use it later.

A team eating the entire salary is the only win the 9ers got out of this

That hypo Rodgers trade makes no sense.

The Packers didn’t want three 1sts and a third for Rodgers, but would do it for #3 overall? Why wouldn’t they just take the Niners picks and move up to the spot they thought the needed on their own?

Edit: They would never get Lawrence. He was untouchable that year. So they valued one of the rest of that bunch so much more than the others?

Also - if that was the idea than megaLOL at the Niners for making that trade without a guarantee from GB that it would go through.

Plus, they block their opponents' being able to use Trey as a Dak simulation on the scout team! I hear that having blockers is important.

The Falcons traded Tim Dwight, (gadget WR, ELITE KR/PR weapon, lol) plus a boatload of picks to the Chargers to move up to #1 overall and take Michael Vick.

Obviously, that went sideways for non-football reasons, but it was an exciting few years for a while. And he did have a long, productive career (on a relative scale) once he got out of prison. Not with the Falcons, however.

To your point, though, I think the Falcons included the 6th overall pick in that package, and that became LaDainian Tomlinson.

Not quite the same comparison, but the Falcons also gave up a bunch of picks to the Browns to take Julio Jones, and every Falcons fan would say that one was worth it.

And the Browns drafting braintrust obviously went FULL Browns on the other side.

Most QBs that end up having at least decent careers spend 3-4 years in college and the last two+ of those years starting every game. I said this when Lance was picked that he was going to have a really hard time with such little real-game playing time. Moving him to a new team where he sits on the bench isn't going to matter. He missed his window of playing QB which could have made him a good QB. He's never getting that back.


List of at least decently successful QBs in the NFL

Games Played in College

Wilson - 50
Purdy - 48
Herbert - 43
Dak - 39
Burrow - 38
Lamar - 38
Watson - 38
Mahomes - 32
Allen - 27
Rodgers - 25


Lance - 17 (played 1 game in 2020)

Two rookies that have looked good in the preseason picked in later rounds that have "surprised the experts"

O'Connell - 33
DTR - 49

Many teams do not have good talent evaluators and have no idea how to predict success so they go by things like; "He's so athletic. He can throw the ball so far, etc, etc. ). The one position where experience really matters is QB and you can't get that back once you've missed it.

Most QBs who fail in the NFL also have tons of "experience"

Pretty sure Josh just didn't want to go to training camp or play in the preseaon. This number was rumored weeks ago.

No mention of Ditka tossing all his picks for a running back?
Or were we only discussing qbs?

I can't see that one ever being topped.

You missed the point entirely. List the QBs that have few starts in college that become good in the NFL. There are a few. It's not the norm at all though and they are the outliers. Most all of the good QBs start all their games the last two seasons in college.

Well there's this guy...

The reason people who don't get starts in college aren't amazing in the NFL is obvious, and it's not the lack of experience playing in college. It's because they were too **** to get the starts in college.

Interesting break down on how Rodgers likes to play.




edit- been wtaching a bunch of interviews with him and jets... he looks old, brady also looked older in tampa.... but Rodgers looks like he is fifty heh. a lot of money for an old man, will see...

Herschel Walker says hi

So your saying I shouldn't be all in on Richardson?

starting typing the same thing but decided to delete because the trade wasn't to move up in the draft to pick someone specific, although the first Minn. pick they used was traded to Pitt to move up and draft Emmitt Smith.
i'm sure you know, but same draft as this: