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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
You really don't get that my comments on De La Cruz and Wemby is that they are not near the prospects that they appear, and the reason is that the electrifying appearance of talent is not really supported in their make up re fundamentals of the game ... as was, say, Mays and Mantle. And so then you jump on me for acting like they are the greatest prospects, when I'm saying just the opposite. My point is that they could well be fools gold prospects while all the mega buzz surrounds them. When a prospect is scintillating in some respects but unsound, that very likely foretells low outcomes.
The part about Jung, I mean Young, that you whiffed on was I was not speaking of him as a great prospect for the pros at all, as he was indeed on the highly suspect list, but the fact that a blind numbers cruncher misses all reality by getting caught up in the numbers. They'll then gladly do things like reject all reason if the player appeared 1st on one list, 2nd on another, 4th on another ... pointing to the 4th list saying, "See. He isn't 1st or 2nd. YOU'RE STUPID!" That, I assure you, is nothing more than your need to attack people for being stupid. Meanwhile, Young is the greatest combination of running/passing the college game has ever seen and that just kind of gets missed in such stupid numbers crunching.
Further, Vince melted down when he was no longer the super stud mismatch miles above the competition, he failed at the new demands and challenges he was faced with ... and busted. That factor is highly in play in Wemby's outcome forecast. But you can't find it in the numbers. Some combination of Leaf, Zion, Wie, Vince, Sampson light, Mandarich, Jamarcus, Tebow, Manziel ... The thing is developmental. The more awesomely gifted one is, and the more coddled since birth, the more vulnerable they are to this kind of bust. "Oh but how do you know Wemby was coddled since birth!!?? Do you have video from his natal care unit? Do you have interviews and statistics from his pre-school care givers? I take everything literally, you know." LOL.
I'm not hating on players ... I am merely projecting outcomes. It's fine with me if Wemby turns out to be a superstar like you apparently assume is way odds-on. And if there is actual greatness there, I'll be all for it. These types of awesome physical tools are not presumed to be realized into greatness. The bigger they are, the harder the fall seems.
No, you're still just a sad **** who is literally blaming prospects that didn't make it because they weren't good enough (and there was every indication that they didn't have the skills) and pretending that this was because they were too gifted or some nonsense.
EDLC is a super high-risk prospect because it's not clear if he can hit. This has nothing to do with him being coddled - it's just that most people can't hit at the MLB level, athletically gifted or not. Vince Young likewise couldn't pass at the pro level and we kind of knew that already. You're talking them up - even though this was all part of the consensus opinion at the time - to make it sound like you had some crystal ball. Most athletes don't pan out at the highest level because mathematically it has to be that way. Athletic gifts make it less likely that a given prospect might bust, it's just that they also raise expectations.
Also, none of this has to do with Wemby - he's not some athletic freak who's relatively unskilled at the core aspects of the game. What's going on is that you have absolutely no ability to analyze athletes for who they are and have no sport-specific knowledge, so you're just going off cliches (coddled star athletes, lol) and not understanding the differences.
If anything Wemby's bust route is almost the exact opposite as the bust route for athletic QBs who couldn't pass at the NFL level. Those guys absolutely needed to learn to pass better and stop instinctively leaning on their athleticism every time. Wemby's likeliest non-injury bust route would be him not leaning on his size and athleticism and insisting on playing on the perimeter, while his perimeter game not quite being elite enough at the NBA level. Of course his GOAT route is the same, but his perimeter game actually developing in a way that makes him unstoppable.