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11-22-2021 , 07:40 AM

#1001

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Originally Posted by bundy5

Good thought but this would be completely against the spirit of the sport.

Which…given its 2021…means that only Max and Red Bull would be allowed to do it

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11-22-2021 , 09:01 AM

#1002

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Originally Posted by bundy5

I really just can't see how this layout won't favour red bull with its fast corners. This isn't a traditional circuit layout like Qatar was. Abu Dhabi is certainly back to Mercedes but reckon Max can "win it" in Jeddah assuming he can still podium Abu Dhabi.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedd...rcuit_2021.svg

I'm less optimistic.

Mercedes will be using the Brazil engine again in Jeddah. It is a very fast circuit. For Qatar they gave this engine a rest
Brazil engine and Lewis, I don't see Max beating that combination.

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11-22-2021 , 10:45 AM

#1003

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Not agreeing/disagreeing with your point and I haven’t been following it closely but it seems like Russell has cooled off since the announcement was made? Not sure he’s qualified or raced as well over the past 8 weeks?

Think the Williams is just pretty shitty at this point in the season compared with earlier. They probably completely ceased development of the 2021 car to focus on 2022. They already said they're behind and won't be testing in Abu Dhabi (unless that's changed recently). It was no supercar to begin with, but I'd put money on the car getting slower (or more that it's not getting quicker) than Russell slowing.

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11-22-2021 , 05:10 PM

#1004

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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe

I'm less optimistic.

Mercedes will be using the Brazil engine again in Jeddah. It is a very fast circuit. For Qatar they gave this engine a rest

Brazil engine and Lewis, I don't see Max beating that combination.

I don't think engine power will matter that much. It is very twisty with a lot of high speed corners and quick sort of chicanes and change of directions that we know the Red bull is much better at with their aero. Mercedes are going to run a heap of downforce but so will Red bull and it will become a true battle of which car has the best aerodynamic design and I think we know already that is Red bull.

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11-22-2021 , 07:09 PM

#1005

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Originally Posted by bundy5

there's a betting opportunity for you then....

Hamilton $1.65
Verstappen $2.20

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11-23-2021 , 02:01 AM

#1006

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The straight is relatively long and the better engine means Mercedes can run more downforce without risking straight line speed so my money is also on Mercedes but it is a street circuit so safety cars and yellow flags can easily decide qualifying and/or the race.

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11-23-2021 , 05:33 AM

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Jeddah is Hamilton's to lose imo, esp if they are using the Brazil engine. Certainly think we'll be going into Abu Dhabi as evens.

Interested to see how they play it with the other cars with regards to fastest laps. There's a chance that we could be at Abu Dhabi with either team needing to pit their secondary car for tyres to take a point away for fastest lap. That decision could be the difference between winning the Constructors and not. Would either team prioritize the Constructors championship over the Drivers?

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11-23-2021 , 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair

Would either team prioritize the Constructors championship over the Drivers?

Not Red Bull. They've already pissed away a lot of points prioritizing the Drivers over the Constructors.

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11-23-2021 , 05:06 PM

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"Would either team prioritize the Constructors championship over the Drivers?"

Yes. Because that's where the real money is. You can always pay enough and sign the best driver, but you can't buy the best constructor with the same money.
Sponsors prefer the constructor. It's a safer bet.

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11-24-2021 , 01:55 AM

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Maybe Mercedes as their main business is car manufacturing and a constructor's championship shows they have been the best team over the year with their 2 cars in terms of both performance and reliability but for a brand like Red bull they much prefer the individual achievement especially where it is very much against the odds.

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11-24-2021 , 03:10 AM

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We had this discussion on the previous page and the constructors bring in the money, but the driver championship brings in the publicity.

The value that Max has brought to F1 is insane. Another season of Hamilton beating Bottas by 120 points isn't what this sports needs.
Hopefully, next year, we get to see more good battles with Max, Lewis, George and hopefully Charles, Carlos and Lando

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11-24-2021 , 07:18 AM

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Hopefully, next year, we get to see more good battles with Max, Lewis, George and hopefully Charles, Carlos and Lando

If F1 made $1 from every time fans said this at the last race of a season... haha.

Don't know what to expect for next year - there are plenty of articles as there are every year about the mid-field teams looking to make 'big gains' from new regs etc etc, but in reality, will anything actually change? HAAS, Williams, Alpine, AM have all been saying that their 2022 development is going really well and they expect to make a big jump forward but someone still has to come last. Think the best we can hope for is that no team will be a lock for Q3 eliminations every weekend. More fighting at the front is a bonus but other than Ferrari being more competitive.

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11-24-2021 , 07:00 PM

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after all the years of total Merc domination and a lack of any real drama for the driver's championship, it would be pretty incredible if we get Lewis 1, Max 2 with Lewis fastest lap at Jeddah, so that they go into Abu Dhabi exactly even

from a fair racing pov I'd prefer that too...I'd hate for there to be too big a temptation for the championship leader to fabricate a double collision in the final race

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11-24-2021 , 08:03 PM

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That wouldn't be fair as Lewis is definitely favoured to win Abu Dhabi. What would be kind of fair (as I'm not discounting that Bottas is favourite to even get 2nd over Max there) would be somehow if Lewis gets one point more than Max at Jeddah and the championship comes down to whether Max can retain 2nd in that race and go onto a soft set at the end and get fastest lap to win. This would require a stop on the penultimate lap and Lewis would just have to hope that Max doesn't get it (assuming too Bottas is down the field somewhere - as usual lately).

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11-25-2021 , 03:18 AM

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The only thing that would be fair to me is Max winning the WDC. In none of the races has he punted Lewis off the track and scored 25-0.

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11-25-2021 , 07:30 AM

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Bottas bowling is my biggest issue this season followed closely by Pirelli in Baku. Silverstone is annoying but a lot more of just a racing incident that happens every season. Don't see how we can get to fastest lap games in the last race as the point differences between the first 3 places are too big but who knows. With all the hype for these last 2 races I almost expect a DNF for Hamilton in SA and Verstappen becoming champion there in an absolutely boring race.

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11-25-2021 , 07:33 AM

#1017

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

Also this makes no difference. Max still wins if they have equal points in Abu Dhabi and they both DNF. It goes to most wins, second places etc. and Max has that already covered.

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11-28-2021 , 10:42 AM

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RIP Sir Frank Williams.
A man who gave everything for the sport.

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11-28-2021 , 12:00 PM

#1019

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RIP

Legend

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11-28-2021 , 06:22 PM

#1020

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fyi, max is in a no win situation. if he wins the championship it has an asterisk, and if he loses he loses. unless he wins by more than 5.5 or whatever it is.

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11-28-2021 , 10:00 PM

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Our bi-weekly Belgian GP reminder has arrived.

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11-29-2021 , 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by M.A.H.P.'s

fyi, max is in a no win situation. if he wins the championship it has an asterisk, and if he loses he loses. unless he wins by more than 5.5 or whatever it is.

So we can say the same about Button's '09 Championship as well then yeah?

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11-29-2021 , 09:05 AM

#1023

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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93

Our bi-weekly Belgian GP reminder has arrived.

Ignore list FTW

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12-03-2021 , 06:36 AM

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Track looks good - Singapore vibes... Max definitely has a worse record for putting it in the wall than Lewis does at street style circuits.

edit: Libery Media boo... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBYuy-rBL60

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12-03-2021 , 08:04 AM

#1025

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I think track looks nice to drive but horrible for spectators and for having an interesting race. They just wanted it to be the fastest street circuit as a marketing gimmick and ended up having to put in 3 DRS zones to get there.

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