10 to 15 years ago that would be getting a stop and go (literally with no hold) so with the pit lane transit that would be anywhere between 20 to 30 seconds and not the 10 seconds we saw. If we go back further say 30 years ago I'd agree.

What is really annoying about this crash is that not only did Hamilton gain a ton of points the cost cap and engine limits means it is likely to impact RedBull ability to get more upgrades and Max is likely to have to take a grid penalty at the end of the year if they can't recover that brand new engine.

All this was probably running through Lewis' head in the first lap too.

From Lewis standpoint, it's +EV to do what he did and he understood that. Possible outcomes:

- Nobody crashes, just slows them down (push)
- They bump, which pushes Max out wide. Lewis gets lead (+Lewis)
- They bump, Lewis gets slowed down, stays in 2nd (push)
- They both crash and are out (Max doesn't get a bigger lead in points) (+Lewis)
- Max crashes out (+Lewis)
- Lewis crashes out (+Max)
- Both are damaged but can be fixed in the pit (push)
- Only Max damaged has to stop in pits (+Lewis)
- Only Lewis damaged has to stop in pits (+Max)

Of the 9 possible outcomes

4 are +Lewis,
2 are +Max
3 are a push.

So if you're Lewis why not do this. He knows this and purposely takes the risk because 2/3 rds of the time, it's either a benefit to him or doesn't affect him.Settling for 2nd just puts him further behind in points halfway through the season.

^ that's a good post

A lot of people (including myself) were annoyed with the over extensive celebrations of Lewis.

In light of that first round incident, a bit more modesty would've suited him.

Not convinced on that being a + for Lewis.
It would also mean he doesn't catch up any points and has one less race to catch up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCr5FxHmLFE

It really looks like Hamilton went in too fast and he missed the apex by like half a car width and Max gave only like 1.33 car width.

IMO, Max wasn't obligated to give more (to say otherwise would imply the car in front is obligated to yield the lead when someone attacks inside) and Hamilton is 100% at fault.

I also think Hamilton is back to doing stupid **** like he did to Nico and during McLaren days. I love the guy's life story but he really doesn't give two shits ("respect" if you will) about other drivers' safety.

how about how aggressive Max was earlier in the lap stopping Lewis from passing? anyone think he was ott at all previously?

imo, Max is in general the more aggressive driver and Lewis has pulled out on several occasions in the past. he didn't this time because he knows he doesn't have the better car and needs to push his edges

No different to how Max was driving on the 1st lap in the sprint so that is even more reason why Lewis should have known that Max wasn't just going to give it up in the race.

So we’re saying….’because you know Max is driving mega aggressively and isn’t gonna pull out, you can’t drive so aggressively and must pull out?’

yeah well, 2+2 is typically higher IQ people than you find on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Me rooting against Hamilton has got nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Correct. But this isn't so much saying Max and Lewis, but whoever is leading. if you are leading the race, you grab the racing lines and defend them aggressively and whoever is following should find a way that is legal to get the overtake done.

Correct.

Except my note was in response to ‘no different from the way Max was driving on the first lap of the sprint’. When he was behind.

Lewis is losing if he gives up when attacked and when attacking

Either way, I think the 10 sec penalty is right and it’s unfortunate that Max went off and he can feel aggrieved.

Not at that corner, no.

At least I guess Max will win the next race by at least 20 seconds.

I wonder what impact an accident like that has on the psychology of a driver.
Is he going to drive differently?

Maybe at first but come qualifying at the next race should be back to 100%

Not that anything will likely come of it.

Yeah, I expect nothing of that

Max is running the Silverstone engine in practice 1
If the Honda engine has survived that shock and still runs OK, power to them

I am sceptical. See what happened to Leclerc in Monaco

I expect they won't run it in qualy and race unless they are 100% sure it is fine. If they can use it in all practice sessions then that is already a massive bonus and might stop them from needing to take an engine penalty.

Even if they didn't achieve anything directly, I guess that protest might very well have some unforeseeable benefit in the future.
For example, if Max makes an illegal move vs Lewis, they will not quickly punish him >10 seconds and if Lewis makes an illegal move, they might decide on a heavier penalty.

Just getting into the heads of the stewards could have its value

Max opting for softs

Interesting

Maybe RB think that the 2-stopper is optimal. Remember what happened last year?

Doesn't really work if you don't get pole.