He meant an average pitcher. 200 million is still an obvious stretch tho.

Who are some NFL non-QB's that chose that over baseball? Jeff Samardzija is the only counter I can think of off-hand (WR [was a projected top 10 pick] and he's set to make 127M through 2020).

Boxers do get CTE all the time.

My guess is that even though those kids showed early signs, that's not 1-1 with early-onset dementia.

Just spitballing here, I'm guessing that Kyler will get 4 years and ~$15 million guaranteed on his 1st contract. I think his deal with the As was 3 years and $4.6 mil.

AB releasing the thank you video to stealer fans.. "time to move on and forward"

Seems like a positive Haven't read the linked study but IIRC these sub-concussive brain impacts don't have to come from direct hits to the head necessarily, it's enough for the brain to move around and hit the skull, which apparently can happen just from blocking/ pass rushing collisions at the LOS, i.e. every single snap

A first round nfl qb is going to make way more than a first round mlb pick. He would need to work his way up to mlb to get any more good money.

Yes. The highest signing bonus given in MLB history to a rookie was Gerritt (sp?) Cole who got $8M in 2011. In the 2018 draft, the top 14 picks each got more than an $8M signing bonus and got a salary on top of that.

So it comes down to the short-run vs the long-run. If you want that guaranteed money now and risk severe bodily injury for 4-5 years, go to the NFL. If you want to take less money now and have a shot at way more money with less injury risk in the long run, then go with baseball.

But what it really comes down to in the long-run is which the player likes more. Sure, you might take more guaranteed money in the NFL but if your heart isn't in it, you're put yourself at risk of greater injury by not putting in the effort to stay in shape and play your best. If a player likes baseball more, he's more likely to succeed there than in football even if the money isn't better early on.

Isn't he going to get more guaranteed money in the NFL too though?

Going NFL seems like a no brainer unless you are worried about health concerns.

If you think you're 100% to be a 1st round QB; odds are you'll make more money especially if you get to your 2nd contract as a starting QB.

2001-VICK-Big time $$ (Brees was the first pick in the 2nd round and obviously a GOAT)
2002-Carr/Harrington/Ramsey--all busts
2003-Palmer/Leftwich/Boller/Grossman--3 guys played a while, Carson the only one that made bank
2004-Eli/Rivers/Ben/Losman--first 3, big $$$ and all HOF
2005-Smith/Rodgers/Campbell-first 2 made big money and 1 GOAT, Campbell also made decent $$
2006-Young/Leinart/Cutler--2 relative busts and Cutler making $$
2007-Russell/Quinn-2 giant busts
2008-Ryan/Flacco-2 guys making bank
2009-Stafford/Sanchez/Freeman--Stafford making bank, Sanchez is a backup and Freeman went from PB to bust quickly
2010-Bradford/Tebow--Bradford has gotten paid despite always being hurt and mediocre; Tebow busts out quickly.

So there were 27 first round QBs in the 2010 decade; 12 are pretty good or better and made bank. 9 guys are busts but some made some money and 5 others were mediocre and ended up backups after starting. Odds of making bank as a first round QB were pretty high. I can look at the next 8 years but I think this gives a better long term picture.

If he signs with the A's he gets somewhere around a 4.6M signing bonus. If he gets drafted in the first round in the NFL draft (or possibly early second round), he'll get more than that. So in the short run, he gets more money but the long run is where things are less certain. At that point, your heart has to be in it to get the big bucks in either sport.

Aside from Bo Jackson, has there ever been a player so highly-prized in both sports? I mean plenty of players have had professional potential in more than one sport but not both at such a high level.

Also Murray did choose football according to BBC.

I think any GM (besides Gruden) that takes Kyler Murray in the 1st round of the draft will be fired in<2 years which will be about the same amount of time Kyler will be in the NFL. Anybody want to set the line?

His spot seems to be:

NFL:

Higher financial floor and your passion

Baseball:

Super dee duper significantly safer health-wise and higher potential earnings



I think it will come down to the non $ reasons, though possibly the floor is a significant factor. He will choose baseball if he listens to the advice of former players.

How good of a baseball player is Murray? What position does he play?

He was a top 10 pick in baseball and is expected to play 2b/ss. Unlike football, the process for getting to the majors and the odds of him making it to the mlb are much smaller.

Looking at the top 10 of the 2012 draft. Top pick is an all star, a few are mediocre players and a few are starters. The baseball draft is much more of a crap shoot than the football draft.

Except in baseball you have to get to the majors and then wait like six years before you can actually get paid. If Murray panned out in baseball he'd be like 30 when he hits free agency.

dk is correct on this one.

Murray is an outfielder, not a pitcher. Samardzija is the last one I can think of, and he was a football WR and baseball pitcher so it makes sense.

He played 2B/SS in high school but I believe was going to be OF in pro baseball.

Sounds like you set the line yourself. I'd easily bet on Murray playing longer than two years. GM is tougher in part because teams in a position to draft QBs highly are generally bad to begin with and the GM might already be on the hot seat.

What position in baseball do you guys think make the most on average by position based on current salaries?

Pitcher would have been my immediate guess but my knowledge base is pretty limited

And upon checking Spotrac, 13 players are averaging 25m+ per on their contracts. Eight of them are starting pitchers and one is a reliever.

11 of the 15 are 32 years old or older. (30, 30, 29, 27-- and the 27-year-old signed a one-year deal to avoid arbitration and turns 28 in April.)

According to my roomie it's still 1B

It's obviously a lot different for a star QB. Especially now that a tap on the shoulder to Tom Brady is penalty now.

I can completely see how Kyler would rather give it a shot at the most glorified position in all of sports where he's almost guaranteed a shot in his first season rather than riding a bus for three years.

He’s choosing the NFL over minor league baseball and a low probability of ever playing in the bigs (this isn’t a knock on his baseball ability, I have no idea what it is, but a majority of high first round picks in baseball are total busts

Probably that or DH, but that's only because young players on the league minimum rarely if ever play these positions to drive average salary down.

I would be all for the Dolphins drafting Murray. I think he has a top 5 QB ceiling and even if it's a low % chance to hit on that ceiling it's still a higher chance than anyone else coming out of the draft this year or any free agent you can get.

Danny Ainge, John Elway, and Drew Henson come to mind. Dan Marino was drafted in the 4th round out of high school too.

Henson was talked about as the #1 potential pick at Michigan (and platooned with Tom Brady), but chose baseball before his senior year after the Yankess gave him 6/17.

Still ended up being drafted in the 6th round by Houston in '03 after failing at baseball.

Each of their anecdotes:

Ainge: was selected in baseball's 1977 amateur draft by the Toronto Blue Jays. He made it to the major leagues with the Blue Jays in 1979 while still in college. Mostly a second baseman, he played third base and outfield positions as well, hitting .220 in his baseball career with 2 home runs and 146 hits in 211 games. He is the youngest player in Blue Jays history to hit a home run, at 20 years and 77 days.

After three years with the Blue Jays, Ainge decided to pursue a career in basketball and was chosen in the 1981 NBA draft by the Boston Celtics, who had to buy out Ainge's contract from the Blue Jays after a legal battle.

Elway: also excelled as a baseball player (while at Stanford). He was selected by the New York Yankees in the second round of the 1981 Major League Baseball draft (52nd overall, six spots ahead of future Hall of Famer Tony Gwynn), and received $150,000 for playing for the Yankees' short season affiliate Oneonta Yankees in the New York–Penn League in the summer of 1982.[18] Yankees scout Gary Hughes believed that had Elway concentrated on baseball "the sky was the limit … he would've been off the charts". Yankees owner George Steinbrenner—who aggressively sought Elway's services—reportedly planned to make him the Yankees' starting right fielder by 1985, which Elway—aware of Steinbrenner's opinion—later described as "a tremendous [and] exciting thought"

Henson: He finished second All-time in Michigan high school annals in passing yards (5,662) and touchdown passes (52). He also had the state's record in touchdowns passes for a single-season (26 in 1997) and a single-game (6). He averaged 45.7 yards-per-punt in his career.

In baseball, he was a four-time All-state selection. He finished as the national high school record holder in career home runs (70), RBIs (290) and runs scored (259). As a pitcher, he struck out 163 hitters in his junior season. He had a 14-1 record with a 0.86 ERA and 174 strikeouts in his senior season. He also was named the USA Today High School Player of the Year, Baseball America 1998 High School Player of the Year and the Gatorade High School Player of the Year.

Henson left prior to his senior season after signing a six-year, $17 million baseball-only deal with the New York Yankees on March 25, 2001. Navarre would replace him as the starting quarterback.