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03-13-2019 , 12:43 PM
Ingram barely more than L Murray is lol

Wonder if he wanted more work with Kamara being in NO now? Gonna be no shortage of carries to go around in B'More.

Gotta think indy gets Tate or Tyrell sooner than later.
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03-13-2019 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ahmngrn30
For baseball you can pretty much check how much a player is worth given WAR projections/age and the contract they are on or were just given. They even have prospect evaluations in terms of how much excess value you can anticipate getting from them under team control. It makes evaluating trades and signings more than, "hmmm only 4 sacks last year. that seems like too much money". Is there anything out there that at least attempts to quantity stuff like we have for baseball?
PFF tries do recreate that exact metric for the NFL (which is much tougher of course), I think they are only available to subscribers though and I don't know about the details of the methodology. Peter King published WAR in week 14 of last year (so after 13 games):

Patrick Mahomes, 6.22
Drew Brees, 6.22
Philip Rivers, 4.55
Jared Goff, 4.37
Russell Wilson, 3.59
Deshaun Watson, 2.20
Aaron Donald, 1.82
Todd Gurley, 0.56

From this link:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...14-peter-king/
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03-13-2019 , 12:51 PM
in other news , Aaron Hernandez is back to being a murderer.
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03-13-2019 , 12:54 PM
At the end of the day Steelers did right with Bell, I wouldn't want him even with the Jets contract
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03-13-2019 , 12:55 PM
You basically offered him a very similar deal last year minus some guarantees......
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03-13-2019 , 12:57 PM
Since 2000, only 6 RBs has had multiple seasons of 1200+ Rushing yards and 600+ receiving yards. Bell has 3. Name the other 5.

Bonus: Name the 7 players with a single season of 1200+ rus yrds and 600+rec yrds since 2000

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03-13-2019 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Perhaps Shimmy
Since 2000, only 6 RBs has had multiple seasons of 1200+ Rushing yards and 600+ receiving yards. Bell has 3. Name the other 5.

Bonus: Name the 7 players with a single season of 1200+ rus yrds and 600+rec yrds since 2000

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It indicates he was damn good. Also might indicate that he used up a ton of his effective touches.
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03-13-2019 , 01:01 PM
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You basically offered him a very similar deal last year minus some guarantees......
that's my point - they were lucky he didn't take it - although if it was with the "rolling" guarantees, it could have been very team friendly
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03-13-2019 , 01:06 PM
Jets are 6-10 with or without Bell. RBs move no needles.
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03-13-2019 , 01:27 PM
"As CBS Sports' Joel Corry noted in February, given the five-year, $70 million deal Bell reportedly turned down from the Steelers, he didn't make this new contract work. Since he was already in line to make $14.5 million on the tag, he rejected an offer that would have paid him an additional $55.5 million over four seasons. Not only did Bell pass up the $14.5 million from the tag, but the offer he ended up getting on the market didn't even hit what the remainder of Pittsburgh's offer would have been on a long-term deal."

What am I missing about this paragraph? If he takes the 14.5m tag then the 5/70 is off the table. He just likely gets 350 touches on the Steelers and then leaves in FA. He's just 14.5 richer assuming everything goes right (and assuming the Jets still want him with more tread on the tire)

Also, who cares about the long-term aspect of it. There is almost no way he sees that $ in year 8 or 9 unless he gains some type of bionic powers.
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03-13-2019 , 01:37 PM
any article treating the $70M as actual money should be ignored

we know the "guarantee" was somewhere between $10M and $35M of various guarantee levels.
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03-13-2019 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
Jets are 6-10 with or without Bell. RBs move no needles.
Giants went from the 2nd worst team to the 6th worst team after taking one, that's MOVING THE NEEDLE.

Now sure, you might insist well they're probably gonna be 2nd in the draft again but dave Gettleman has got this and knows what he's doing.
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03-13-2019 , 01:44 PM
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any article treating the $70M as actual money should be ignored

we know the "guarantee" was somewhere between $10M and $35M of various guarantee levels.
But there's also "guarantee if he doesn't get cut after 1 year" which was something like $35M and what 95%+ chance of happening? As people have mentioned, seems like you might be able to insure against that.

Also if he has some gruesome Alex Smith injury it's not even certain the Steelers would immediately cut him. Or that the contract didn't come with some kind of injury protection (which most contracts seem to these days).

I feel like the only way the Steelers release him after year 1, and that he doesn't have some kind of injury payday, is if he just totally sucks. It seems weird to me to say "Well yeah, but Bell is smart because he knows he might suck and get released" - which if true makes you question whether you should sign the player at all, as that seems like a sub-optimal attitude that you'd want a star player to have.
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03-13-2019 , 01:45 PM
It's also possible Bell was willing to give up that money simply so he didn't have to play for the Steelers anymore. Not like 15M is gonna change his life at this point.

Earl Thomas getting 32M guaranteed, 20M first year which is gonna be a lot when he breaks his leg again by week 3.
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03-13-2019 , 01:50 PM
Peppers would've only gotten roughly a 5th in a trade so getting OBJ instead of Brown only cost an extra first and OBJ is just 26 AND they don't have to give him a new deal (though odell is trying) AND the giants paid over 20M for that extension AND the giants taking on the big cap hit AND with both vernon/OBJ if the Giants didn't extend either they'd have no cap hit right now AND OBJ isn't the diva Brown is. Teammates like him.

Basically the Giants are just hoping he's injury prone like the last two seasons and Gettleman is a god damn moron.
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03-13-2019 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Perhaps Shimmy
Since 2000, only 6 RBs has had multiple seasons of 1200+ Rushing yards and 600+ receiving yards. Bell has 3. Name the other 5.

Bonus: Name the 7 players with a single season of 1200+ rus yrds and 600+rec yrds since 2000
Multiple Season Guesses
McCoy
James
Charles
Gurley
Freeman

Single Season Guesses
Barkley
Elliot
Murray
Portis
Westbrook
David Johnson
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03-13-2019 , 02:16 PM
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REGGIE

That doesn't even include his USC money
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03-13-2019 , 02:17 PM
Tyrell Williams to Raiders to pair with AB.

& the Jets apparently feel like they are only going to score TDs now, since they let their pro-bowl kicker go to Seattle.
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03-13-2019 , 02:25 PM
Don't Colts have like 90m to spend?
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03-13-2019 , 02:25 PM
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https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/odell...iver/305138080

I don't really agree with this as far as a justification for the trade but it was likely headed to the AB situation. Another year or two of Eli and a rookie QB and he would've been on "The Shop" with LeBron talking about how he needs to think about his legacy.
I'm not buying it-- and the anonymous sourcing suggests this is just some CYA for the trade.



Also, let's remember that Gettleman decided a team that finished 3-13 in 2017 was in win-now mode, which is why instead of Sam Darnold throwing to Odell Beckham in 2019 you're looking at Eli Manning handing off to Saquon Barkley 400 times while the team hopes to find its next QB and next star WR in the draft.

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Ingram barely more than L Murray is lol

Wonder if he wanted more work with Kamara being in NO now? Gonna be no shortage of carries to go around in B'More.
Apparently the Saints offered 4.5 per and I guess Ingram either thought his market would be bigger or they wouldn't budge for even 500k

Murray deal is essentially 2/7 as structured
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03-13-2019 , 02:29 PM
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Don't Colts have like 90m to spend?
Yeah. They rolled over $49m from last season. Seems like they're doing the slow build thing. Makes sense. Kinda.
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03-13-2019 , 02:42 PM
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Don't Colts have like 90m to spend?
On hookers and blow
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03-13-2019 , 02:43 PM
How slow can you build it? You got prime Luck right now and he is going into year 9.

AFC somewhat ripe for the picking, won 9/10 to close year as he got healthy (albiet vs a joke schedule)
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03-13-2019 , 02:48 PM
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How slow can you build it? You got prime Luck right now and he is going into year 9.

AFC somewhat ripe for the picking, won 9/10 to close year as he got healthy (albiet vs a joke schedule)
I dunno. That's why I said kinda. They should have some sort of plan in place to be taking on players later after the 1st wave of free agency, whether it be other team's cap casualties or adding assets via trade for discounted rates or what have you.

I can't think of any signings that I would definitively say, "Yes, the Colts should have matched/beat that."

I mean, there's OBJ, but I don't think he's interested in Indy (yeah, he ended up in Cleveland, but he's been trying to link back up with Jarvis Landry for years).
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03-13-2019 , 02:52 PM
Think Pats keep Gost? Didn't tag him.
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