So by this theory Bell basically bet against himself continuing to play at an elite level.

In 2017 his only missed game was in week 17 for rest purposes (they sat Roeth as well). In 2016 he missed the first 3 games due to suspension, and then week 17 when the Steelers sat Roeth/Brown/Bell. He's been pretty durable since his 2015 injury, especially when you consider his huge workload.

At least engram is solid.....the wr class this year looks good. Might not be able to get obj, but you could definitely draft two in the first few rounds and get some good value.

All rbs should bet against themselves, most get ****ed by these deals. Rb pay is way below other positions. Qb is obviously way high, but rb lags behind wr, ol, dl, linebackers and secondary and most are below TES in top career earnings. Rbs should be looking for new deals like basically one year prove it deals or extremely high incentives as rookies and if they hit cashing in when they’re at their best.

Why wouldn't you do that going into year 6?

This game is no joke man. 1 hen > 2 bush often times

Considering OBJ's talent and contract what do we think NYG should have gotten for him?

Bell touched the ball more than anybody but Big Ben the last two years in that offense too.

Teams never get what players are truly worth in most sports. I’d assume they got the top of the market.

Probably fans wanted two number ones but I can’t recall of a player going for that much that wasn’t a pick for picks type of trade. Not sure what team would have thought about offering that.

if they were going to trade him they should have traded him last year

gettleman walked into a pretty solid rebuilding opportunity and pissed all over himself

Now they will give Saquon 300 touches in a rebuilding year too

Regardless, I'm not going to expect motivated play out of a player who is 100% about the money and doesn't want to bet on themselves at least somewhat.

Maybe why the Jets loaded up so many incentives. But if Bell doesn't think those are in reach how hard is he going to play is a question.

I have similar questions about Houston and Berry in KC. Neither seemed super motivated since they got their max contracts. Houston definitely took plays off and only seemed to get going near the end of the season. Who the hell knows how much of Berry's thing was just him not wanting to get out there and get beat up.

Which actually makes a lot of sense from the players' POV. I just think as players get smarter and smarter - max contracts, especially when it's obviously the last one, make less and less sense. Unless maybe it's someone like Ray Lewis who's clearly just got an energizer bunny of motivation. Or a QB who wants to make the HOF or something.

Not sure how gettleman has a job but maybe the giants are dumb and old school and wanted a dumb and old school gm.

LOL JETS

This has been an absolute disaster of an offseason. Can't wait to see how we **** up the draft


Also, LOL GIANTS

I don't get anyone criticizing Bell. He has said it wasn't about the money and it was more principle on how he felt the Steelers organization valued him. They offered half the money the Jets guaranteed. The guy was getting run into the ground by the organization and wouldn't guarantee him diddly **** of money. Am I wrong?

Players need to balance it between going HAM and potentially getting injured and their long term future. With that being said, you go soft and potentially risk future earnings or getting cut. It’s a thin line especially for backs who are viewed as commodities nowadays. Bell fought it and kind of won but it cost him 15M in his prime. If he stays chugging and lengthened his career, it’ll probably work out but I still think he will lose money long term.

He’s full of ****, it was all about guaranteed money. He wants full guarantees while the Steelers are giving partials, not only to him but basically all their players. With that being said, they’re still paying shazier despite his issue. So maybe it’s bell’s approach that pissed them off. We will have to see the final details of the deal but if it’s fake guaranteed just like the Steelers he basically traded 15M tag from the franchise for an extra 2 million from the jets.

With that being said, gase has a history of playing multiple backs and sitting his best rbs so maybe that’s what bell was really hoping for. Getting out of the pure bellcow crap Pittsburgh was running and to the easier split carry system gase runs even with 35 year old backs.

I doubt Bell cared about Gase platooning RB's much, he just wanted his hands on some GTD because he probably has osteoarthritis in both knees and played his first 4 seasons making like 6m combined.

They would be wise to mix McGuire in rather than run Bell into the ground though. Bell's surplus value mostly comes as a receiver anyway.

McCloughan is with the Browns now? No wonder they seem to be doing well. Guy might be the best personnel guy in the NFL. There was one pretty obvious common factor to why the Niners started drafting brilliantly and then stopped, and then the Seahawks drafted brilliantly and then stopped, and then the foreskins stopped being a joke for a little before going back to being a joke. Too bad he can't seem to keep his **** together.

Well Dorsey also seems to be a genius but yeah Scott Mc is a consultant now (per his wiki it was just the 2018 draft but I’ll see if he’s still onboard. Maybe the booze help him make decisions....but obviously hurt him keeping jobs.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-...wns-124706464/

Guess he’s still there....

Gettleman was with the Giants for years as an executive before becoming a GM with the Panthers. It was really about the owner's familiarity with him rather than his competence.

Chasing away black guys who have the nerve to speak up is a Gettleman specialty. Like all NFL executives eligible for Social Security, he has neither updated his knowledge of the sport nor his perception of other races since the 1980s. Creating some smash mouth run-first football team is something old ****s do as a way to bring football back to the days where they actually understood the game.

ET to the ravens, wonder what the guarantees are. 4 years 55M.

lol Ravens

old guys and RBs

never learn

For baseball you can pretty much check how much a player is worth given WAR projections/age and the contract they are on or were just given. They even have prospect evaluations in terms of how much excess value you can anticipate getting from them under team control. It makes evaluating trades and signings more than, "hmmm only 4 sacks last year. that seems like too much money". Is there anything out there that at least attempts to quantity stuff like we have for baseball?

Apparently 32M guaranteed.

Also Ingram to Ravens for 3Y15M, looks ok.

no it doesnt

you can throw 3 random guys at the wall and get more for 800k