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07-22-2019 , 09:49 PM
And yet, Zeke.
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07-22-2019 , 10:05 PM
He learned from the backlash he got from that / Roger is intent on putting "that boy" in his place
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07-22-2019 , 10:06 PM
Anyone have handy that recent Deadspin article about how ROG basically handles negotiations with DeMaurice Smith with "let me go ask Jerry and Bob about that"
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07-22-2019 , 10:57 PM
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Anyone have handy that recent Deadspin article about how ROG basically handles negotiations with DeMaurice Smith with "let me go ask Jerry and Bob about that"


It’s not a bad negotiating tactic tbh. I use it a lot with my business and it helps to preserve cordial working relationships through difficult negotiations

‘If it were up to me I’d do it but....’.
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07-22-2019 , 11:04 PM



There are some criminal ranking misses here. Hard to pick out the worst of them but think the Troy Aikman one may be the peak
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07-22-2019 , 11:09 PM
Waren Moon is burning my eyes.

Then I saw Johhhhhhny Unitas
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07-22-2019 , 11:15 PM
25. Alex Smith
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07-22-2019 , 11:21 PM
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And yet, Zeke.
Zeke wouldn't speak to the league. Hill spent 8 hours talking to them. There's a picture of Zeke yanking a chick's top down. That's all I know.

I never thought Hill would get 2 games after Ray Rice. The league either has to basically say they think he's innocent or give him 6-8 games min.

So for whatever it's worth they're saying they think there's a good chance he didn't hurt the kid or her. Which from everything I've read seems reasonable.

I do believe anyone quoting the "you should be afraid of me too" should listen to the entire audio.

But no, it still would not surprise me if he winds up in jail for beating the **** out of her. It would honestly surprise me if he winds up in jail for hurting the kid. I think if anything he was a little harsh with the kid, and she was harsher by her own account.

Blast away.
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07-22-2019 , 11:23 PM
That is a Pat Mahomes fatal accident level karmic challenge post
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07-22-2019 , 11:23 PM
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25. Alex Smith
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07-22-2019 , 11:23 PM
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25. Alex Smith
LOLOLOLOL
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07-23-2019 , 12:00 AM
Uhh that was a troll list some guy posted on Twitter, come on guys. He managed to get Smiff trending in the US because people are dumb
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07-23-2019 , 10:21 AM
"You just need to listen to the context of him threatening her" is a bold yet unsurprising take from suz.

I guess the perks of having a ****ty team with zero superstars is that I'll never have to find out how far I'm willing to twist things to defend a piece of **** simply because they catch a lot of touchdowns
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07-23-2019 , 11:31 AM
PFR QB Top 11 (all QBs in top 25 overall) (By Career Approx. Value):


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Rank	Player		AV	Years		Tm
1	Peyton Manning	271	1998-2015	2TM
2	Tom Brady	269	2000-2018	nwe
3	Drew Brees	256	2001-2018	2TM
4	Brett Favre	255	1991-2010	4TM
5	Fran Tarkenton	236	1961-1978	2TM
6	Dan Marino	216	1983-1999	mia
7	John Elway	203	1983-1998	den
8 	Philip Rivers	191	2004-2018	sdg
9 	Roethlisberger	185	2004-2018	pit
10	Steve Young	171	1985-1999	2TM
11	Aaron Rodgers	170	2005-2018	gnb
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07-23-2019 , 01:26 PM
I'm really enjoying the "let's repeatedly ask suzzer for his thoughts so we can **** all over his character as a human being" game. It's super fun.

Especially in a thread where someone calls an assault victim a hooker and no one bats an eye. I sense Deep. Heartfelt. Concern. for the victims here and not just typical team trashtalking.

As evidenced by how everyone immediately jumped on the Browns for signing proven woman assaulter Hunt. Oh wait, that never happened. No1 curr.

I was ready to jettison Tyreek too until that full tape came out and all the mounting evidence that she isn't the most stable or reliable source - and I fully supported what the team did with Hunt. It's not like I've been going to the mat for either of them.

Also this idea that ROG cares about superstar status is ludicrous when he waged a personal war against THE Golden Boy.

Last edited by suzzer99; 07-23-2019 at 01:49 PM.
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07-23-2019 , 01:32 PM
Anyway this is the closest thing to a full transcription I can find: https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2019...inal-released/

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“…You [expletive] ruined my life and you lied on me in 2014. I’m still not over that. Because I didn’t touch you in 2014, and I can put that on everything I love, bro. That’s the real truth.” Hill said to Espinal about the domestic abuse allegations dating back to his days at Oklahoma State University.

“And if you want to rewind that night we can rewind that night too, [expletive]. You was in my house. And did I pick you up and slam you? Hell no, I picked you up and put you out my door and after that you left. And on my son you did that, bro. And then you get in the courtroom you want to sit up there and cry on the stand. ‘He hit me, he hit me.’ Man, come on bro.”

“Then where did the bruises come from Tyreek,” Espinal said.

“Did I hit you, did I hit you though?” Hill responded.

“I’m asking you where did the bruises come from?” Espinal said.

“Did I hit you? Tell me the truth in my eyes right now. Look at me.” Hill said.

“We’re not thinking about that,” Espinal said. “Right now the issue is [our son].”

“No, no we’re going to handle both of these issues right now, while this is on my chest” Hill said.

“And you don’t think that this [expletive] hurts me?” Espinal said.

“… Why did we get into that argument in the first place?” Espinal asked

“Which one, 2014?” Hill said.

“Yes.” Espinal said.

“I don’t remember why, for real,” Hill said. “Do you remember why?”



“Did I ever punch you, though?” Hill said. “In your face, in your lip. No I did not.”

“You had your hand around my neck,” Espinal said.

“No I did not,” Hill said. “Bro, and that’s the sad part. I want you to sit on this flight and think about that night. How about that? Since you want to break something up.”

“Ok I will sit on this flight and I will think about that. But I honestly want you to think about that night between me and you getting into an argument about the way you disciplined [our son], and even the CPS lady says you don’t do it correctly.” Espinal said.

“Ok. I will listen,” Hill said. “I will listen. But like I said…”

“No, you’re not listening to me,” Espinal interjected. “Think about why a freaking three-year old will tell everybody and anybody that you broke his arm. Why would [our son] do that?”

“Because I’m the only one that plays with him. Maybe that’s why?” Hill said.

“I’m the only one that do [expletive] with him,” Hill said. “I’m the one who gets physical with him.”

“I play with [our son] a hell of a lot more than you do,” Espinal said. “You just sit on your [expletive] game all the [expletive] time. So don’t sit here and tell me I don’t play with him.”

“You right, you right bro,” Hill said.

“Like I said, I’m sorry for everything that happened,” Hill said. “This obviously wasn’t a match made in heaven right here. You know what I’m saying, we don’t need no beef.”

“No we do not, but you really, really need to think about why [our son] says somebody broke his arm,” Espinal said. “And every single time he said it’s you.”

“No, cuz…”

“If I look at him he’ll change his story,” Espinal interrupted.

“Because he’s telling the truth then,” Hill said. “That’s sad, bro…”

“And then you sit here and tell me that I’m not riding for you,” Espinal said.

“Because you’re not,” Hill said. “I fully believe in my heart that you’re behind this.”

“Okay you can believe that all you want,” Espinal said.



“I gotta get on your [expletive] to get the whole truth out.” Hill said. “You told me the truth finally, bro. See I like when you finally tell me the truth, bro.”

“If I would have said that the very first time to you, before this whole allegation got brought up, you would have gone crazy,” Espinal said.

“You’re still supposed to tell the truth, though, right?” Hill said. “That’s what somebodies wife is supposed to do.”

“And I’m telling the truth,” Espinal said.

“Now somehow this investigation got brought back up and you’re about to lose your [expletive],” Espinal said.



“I wish I didn’t know you. I never should have had sex with you. I wish we didn’t have kids. My life is supposed to be a whole lot easier right now. 2014 wasn’t supposed to happen. None of that [expletive]. But I broke my son’s arm? Come on, let’s be real, bro.” Hill said. “You know how I am with kids. You know how I am with him. I’m very hard on him but I would never hurt my son in life.”



“If he’s terrified of me, when we were in that … gym with all of those kids the what, huh?” Hill said.

“He’s three,” Espinal exclaimed.

“Oh my god. There’s the excuses,” Hill said. “Everywhere we go my son loves on me. Everywhere we go.”

“And then when we get home, what is it?” Espinal said.

“When we get home it’s for real. It’s serious time. It’s time to lock in. Because he know I don’t play,” Hill said. “I want my son to learn respect. Something that you did not teach our son. It’s something that he will get his [expletive] ran over in this world. Because first of all, our son is black. These white folks don’t give a [expletive] about our kids. They don’t and you know that, bro and that’s sad, bro.”

“Things could have been handled a lot differently with him than they have been now, and these twins,” Espinal said.

“You right, bro,” Hill said. “I’ll just let you have it.”
I feel like this is as close to a moment of truth as you're going to get. Either that or Hill somehow suspected he was being recorded and they're playing spy vs. spy 4D chess with each other.

Maybe he's in complete denial, but I don't get the impression from this that he's abusing his son or her. People who think they're guilty also don't spend 8 hours to talking to the league, and countless more to the team, CPS, cops.
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07-23-2019 , 02:52 PM
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Maybe he's in complete denial, but I don't get the impression from this that he's abusing his son or her. People who think they're guilty also don't spend 8 hours to talking to the league, and countless more to the team, CPS, cops.
Hill talked to the league. From what I've read Espinal refused multiple times to talk to the NFL.
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07-23-2019 , 02:57 PM
At another point in the audio, the woman says: “You make him open up his arms and you punch him in the chest. And then if he gets in trouble, you get the belt out.”

BTW, when she says she "rode for him" when she was questioned by CPS that means she lied.
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07-23-2019 , 03:07 PM
I believe she says poke, not punch. Which she says the CPS lady told him was wrong, and he did say "Ill listen to her" for whatever that's worth. He could just have easily said "**** that *****".

She also replied to some tweet saying that spanking was wrong - that nobody better tell her how to discipline her kid - which Hill also alludes to above.

Like I said in previous posts, neither one is close to parent of the year.

I got spanked by my stepdad. I wouldn't do it to my kids, but I know he thought he was doing the right thing. And it was way way less than he got.
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07-23-2019 , 03:08 PM
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Hill talked to the league. From what I've read Espinal refused multiple times to talk to the NFL.
Which could just means she's protecting the big payday.
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07-23-2019 , 07:17 PM
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Uhh that was a troll list some guy posted on Twitter, come on guys. He managed to get Smiff trending in the US because people are dumb
Smiff isn't the worst QB on the list.

Anyway, Adrian Peterson report to the broke athlete thread.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...d-wrong-people
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07-23-2019 , 07:49 PM
No he's not but he's the epitome of an average QB that the Twitter generation would have seen play.
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07-23-2019 , 08:40 PM
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Waren Moon is burning my eyes.

Then I saw Johhhhhhny Unitas
Johnny U basically helped invent the no-huddle. Comparing across eras is obviously rough, but his rating isn't nuts. ARod at 18, Troy and Broadway Joe at 6 and 7 and Smiff at 25 are just facemelters.
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07-23-2019 , 08:54 PM
The Adrian Peterson stuff is thoroughly depressing.
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07-23-2019 , 09:13 PM
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Johnny U basically helped invent the no-huddle. Comparing across eras is obviously rough, but his rating isn't nuts. ARod at 18, Troy and Broadway Joe at 6 and 7 and Smiff at 25 are just facemelters.
I wasn’t commenting on the rankings.

I was remarking on the horrible spelling mistakes.
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