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03-16-2019 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Trade player they drafted after career year
Cut longtime good player just because he's not "great" anymore
Cut cancer survivor
Do everything they can not to cut Tyreek

Chiefs and Chiefs fans everybody
LOOOL Your WOAT takes and complete ignorance are showing. Maybe I was wrong - you don't hate the Chiefs you just don't understand football.

Trade player who has done **** all until this year including injury problems, who doesn't fit the new system, who cost them a trip to the SB, who cost $15M this year - for a high 2nd rounder.

Cut longtime player because he would have cost $21M and $14M against the cap, which is top 5 NFL defensive player money when he clearly isn't that and has issues with taking plays off.

Cancer survivor who has made a ****ton of money that last 2 years for playing about 80 snaps.

I like Ford. I love Berry and Houston. But sometimes you just have to move on. BB is constantly praised for not lingering on players after their prime. Lol at dragging a team for not playing aging stars big bucks .

They're waiting to see if Tyreek is even charged. If he is they probably cut him. And of course then some team picks him up X amount of time later for pennies, he kicks ass for them, and no one in this forum even cares. As I've been informed itt - it's ok because someone would have picked him up eventually.

Last edited by suzzer99; 03-16-2019 at 11:29 PM.
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03-16-2019 , 11:27 PM
Agree w/ Suzzer about the Chiefs moves. Berry is always out and Houston is old.

Dee Ford had 1 good year but the way teams are going for it when QBs are on rookie deals like there is no tomorrow nowadays then perhaps they could've brought him back.

Cutting him if he is charged seems stupid. They cut Hunt and he was on the Browns 3 months later, that whole ordeal was totally pointless.
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03-16-2019 , 11:28 PM
I agree Chiefs got better with the defensive changes and Sutton out
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03-16-2019 , 11:31 PM
Mahomes is 100% getting his extension after this year so this is the Chiefs last QB on rookie deal year, right?
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03-16-2019 , 11:31 PM
Sutton should have been out after the Colts playoff debacle. Reid is too loyal and way too slow to make necessary moves.
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03-16-2019 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Mahomes is 100% getting his extension after this year so this is the Chiefs last QB on rookie deal year, right?
That is the scuttlebutt yes. Probably $30M a year or something. You can still build a good team around that.

Also they can tweak the cap to accommodate any other deals working at the same time.
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03-16-2019 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
That is the scuttlebutt yes. Probably $30M a year or something. You can still build a good team around that.

Also they can tweak the cap to accommodate any other deals working at the same time.
Obviously you can, but you don't get that massive advantage from the loophole anymore.

They need to smooth that out anyway though. Stupid to have such a massive inefficiency. So then guys like Wilson, Goff best chance to win is their first 3 years in the league rather than their primes.

And too many mediocre QB's are making the playoffs over good QB's now because of it.
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03-17-2019 , 12:38 AM
Yeah but who's going to bat for the rookies when they negotiate the new deal?

Also for what the Chiefs were slated to pay Houston and Berry this year they could pay Mahomes $30M and a free agent making over $10M. Avoid stupid contracts and $30M per season isn't going to destroy your competitiveness.
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03-17-2019 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

Cutting him if he is charged seems stupid. They cut Hunt and he was on the Browns 3 months later, that whole ordeal was totally pointless.
They have to cut him. He almost killed his fiancee a couple years ago. Don't think he gets back in the league. Maybe I'm underestimating what teams will do with an elite player but what Tyreek has done and what Hunt has done is not comparable.
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03-17-2019 , 01:15 AM
It could be something where he yanked the kid in a bit of anger and broke his arm. Bad. Very bad because of Hill's history. But it's probably not out of the league forever bad.

But if that were the case I don't think the fiancee would be confiding in everyone she knows that Tyreek broke the kid's arm. So if that part is really true - it's probably worse.
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03-17-2019 , 03:40 AM
"It could be something where he yanked the kid in a bit of anger and broke his arm. Bad. Very bad because of Hill's history. But it's probably not out of the league forever bad."

Depend on the type of fracture - some fracture types are highly associated with child abuse - classic metaphyseal breaks at the end of bones of the arm and leg - "bucket handle" type are highly correlated with abuse. Rib fractures, especially posterior ones - generally abuse unless the kid is a dirtbike rider or something like that. Clavicles break if the kid passes gas too hard - generally not abuse. Vertebral/spinous process fractures are generally not abuse. Grabbing and pulling a kid usually results in subluxation (nursemaids elbow) - but if you really crank on a kid you can get a spiral fracture of the radius/ulna (forearm bones) - this could be abuse, or occur trying to pull a kid away from a oncoming car - depends.

Fractures of varying ages are a big red flag. Bruising not so much - I played tackle football from when I was 6 y/o and spent a lot of time purple from head to toe. OTOH, if the kids primary exercise is his xbox, it's a worry. Spiral fractures are a red flag, depending on the (suggested) mechanism. Skull fractures are a red flag.

I don't like the fact that I know all this stuff.

MM MD

Last edited by hobbes9324; 03-17-2019 at 03:46 AM.
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03-17-2019 , 03:42 AM


Which of those could be this arm cast?

Obviously it could be an accident and there's some crazy person reporting it. But let's say it's something where Hill caused it in anger possibly but maybe not setting out to abuse the kid. Or it's just straight abuse.
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03-17-2019 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by hobbes9324
"It could be something where he yanked the kid in a bit of anger and broke his arm. Bad. Very bad because of Hill's history. But it's probably not out of the league forever bad."

Depend on the type of fracture - some fracture types are highly associated with child abuse - classic metaphyseal breaks at the end of bones of the arm and leg - "bucket handle" type are highly correlated with abuse. Rib fractures, especially posterior ones - generally abuse unless the kid is a dirtbike rider or something like that. Clavicles break if the kid passes gas too hard - generally not abuse. Vertebral/spinous process fractures are generally not abuse. Grabbing and pulling a kid usually results in subluxation (nursemaids elbow) - but if you really crank on a kid you can get a spiral fracture of the radius/ulna (forearm bones) - this could be abuse, or occur trying to pull a kid away from a oncoming car - depends.

Fractures of varying ages are a big red flag. Bruising not so much - I played tackle football from when I was 6 y/o and spent a lot of time purple from head to toe. OTOH, if the kids primary exercise is his xbox, it's a worry. Spiral fractures are a red flag, depending on the (suggested) mechanism. Skull fractures are a red flag.

I don't like the fact that I know all this stuff.

MM MD
This post made me sad. I give like zero ****s about my fantasy team after reading it. I just want the child to be safe. Ugh.
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03-17-2019 , 04:00 AM
Not the subluxation - I reduce those and the kid goes out in a sling.

Can't see enough of the cast to know - I THINK it's a thumb spica, but I'd have to see the hand. Actually, have to see the xray. Way too many possibilities - kids break distal forearms a lot - when you fall, you throw your hand out in front of you so you don't do a face plant - you sacrifice your wrist to save your face/brain. So the picture doesn't mean much of anything. Although I do think Spiderman has freakishly big hands....

MM MD
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03-17-2019 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
That is the scuttlebutt yes. Probably $30M a year or something. You can still build a good team around that.

Also they can tweak the cap to accommodate any other deals working at the same time.
If he has anything close to a similar season he's not going under $35m
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03-17-2019 , 07:56 AM
Hopefully KC waits until the facts come out before making a decision. We don’t need a duke lacrosse situation. Hopefully he’s out of the league if it is true he beat his baby’s momma at one point and beat his kid.

Also I can’t see mahommes getting $30/m+ a year if tyreek doesn’t play this year.
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03-17-2019 , 08:57 AM
We're a year removed from Jimmy G getting $27.5m/year playing less games than Mahomes has, there would have to be an insane level of regression to not get $30m.

Either way he won't sign anything before Wilson/Wentz/Goff do - Wentz (depending on health) and Wilson will get around what Rodgers did, then Mahomes will get more.
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03-17-2019 , 11:27 AM
How would there not be regression if he lost a top 3 (or 1) offensive (non-QB) weapon?
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03-17-2019 , 11:46 AM
Mahomes will still have Watkins and kelce I think he will be just fine
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03-17-2019 , 11:52 AM
Tyreek opens that entire offense up. Mahomes will miss him. He should still be great though.
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03-17-2019 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mutigers
Mahomes will still have Watkins and kelce I think he will be just fine
Those 2 + tyreek > just those 2
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03-17-2019 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Those 2 + tyreek > just those 2
No one denies this but how much do you all really think a Vegas line would move in a game where hill is out? At absolute most like 1.5 points. Mahomes will do fine
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03-17-2019 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mutigers
No one denies this but how much do you all really think a Vegas line would move in a game where hill is out? At absolute most like 1.5 points. Mahomes will do fine
Man that's crazy if true. WR don't matter.
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03-17-2019 , 12:46 PM
If true I’d bet against KC in every game on top of betting all the unders for mahomes passing stats.

Don’t get me wrong: I think he’s still be good, but just nowhere near 2018 mahomes good.
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03-17-2019 , 01:00 PM
Meaning what? Merely 4500 yards and 40 tds? Everyone expects the TD rate to for sure regress and it surely will but I’m just saying what are people’s actual expectations...because 4300 yards and like 35 tds is still gonna get paid. I think the defense is still gonna be awful and he’s gonna have to throw a ton. Also it will be his 2nd actual year starting and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect him to improve as a player even if the numbers aren’t the same
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