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Can someone sum up how the Celtics did in this lottery? Above expectation/below expectation? Avoid tragedy/ get great result?

what happened with the mavs?

We avoided tragedy

The Celtics wanted Memphis to have a top 8 pick so that the pick defers to 2020 (top-6 protected) or 2021 (unprotected).

So, that part of the lottery went well.


The Sacramento pick at #14 isn't as good as we expected it to be when we traded for it (Tatum for Fultz trade). But, it's still an extra pick. There was little chance it would move up to #2, #3, or #4.

Better than ATL

I am in shock that the draft is 6/20 but free agency doesn't begin until July 1. Totally screws teams over. Like the Knicks would never need RJ if they get KD and Kyrie. But if they didn't get either or both, RJ becomes a more attractive pick. I guess teams just have to trust a players word that they will sign, which I also thought was against the rules.

-RJ isn't my #3 but was a good example of how terrible having the draft before free agency really is

Nope. No cameras either. It's totally legit audited by E&Y but no cameras and they don't show it. 100% legit btw.

What happens with JJJ, Valanciunas, RJ/JA next year when they almost make the playoffs and that pick becomes 12th?

Biggest implication from the order could be AD staying in NO. Unless he explicitly tells NO he won't sign with them, they are better off gambling on retaining him rather than accepting the poo-poo platters that were previously on the table.

I wanted AD to shift the balance of power by leaving but in reality, Jrue-Zion-AD is a pretty awesome core if Zion translates to the NBA. I don't see Pels ownership maximizing win equity is a major concern.

Yeah Celtics fans rooting for it to roll over were always making an odd series of assumptions that seem at odds with the facts:

1) Having a pick now is better than having a pick in the future, all else equal. To think about this from the Grizzlies perspective, they definitely would've rather had #8 this year rather than conveying #9 to satisfy the obligation.

2) The Grizzlies don't have any particular reason to collapse, I guess they might move Conley and tank but with #2 to go with Conley and JJ and JV that seems like a decent squad. Their supporting cast isn't unusually old.

3) Even if they are bad next year, it's still top 6 protected, and then you're getting the unprotected pick after a season with JJ and #2 this year and ANOTHER top 6 pick? Parsons' contract will be over by then, too.

They already bottomed out, they aren't on a downswing, and JJ looks like he has real star equity.

This isn’t true - Memphis was pretty clearly trying to get that pick to convey. They had tanking opportunities and didn’t take them.

Conley was good for them this year - adding Ja means Conley’s production either decreases or disappears over the next two years. They’re in the West, and even if JJJ is great that isn’t a guaranteed playoff spot. I’d rather the Celtics have the higher upside. #8 doesn’t really move the needle.

Especially in this draft.

If (close to) the worst case scenario is going form the 9th pick in 2019 to the 12th pick in 2012, then that's a risk worth taking in the hope that the Celtics can bink something big in 2021.

The Celtics already have three first round draft picks this year. Moving the Memphis pick to at least 2020 helps a lot.

Got ****ed as usual. Have never moved up in the draft lottery. Not one single spot. Ever. And the two teams we were tied with got 1 and 2. Unbelievable.

I would assume Memph moves Conley (maybe even buys out JV) and just goes youth movement in 2020 to get another top pick. Then tries to convey something out of the top 10 to the Celts in 2021.

Really, it is amazing the Celts were able to get 3 and 1 out of the Nets given that it is not very hard to atleast not be a bottom 3 team in the NBA if other teams are trying to tank for draft picks and you aren't. Pretty crazy in retrospect.


As far as Celts perspective, I think they're better off not conveying. #9 doesn't have much trade value and their roster is full of guys that need minutes already. Who knows what could happen with the Grizz in 2021.

People talk about that Miami 2021 that LAC has like it is a huge asset, I'd much rather have the Grizz pick than that. Miami has only really sucked once in the last 20 years.

76ers get: Jrue Holiday, LAL 1st (#4 overall)
NO gets: Ben Simmons
LAL gets: Anthony Davis + assets

76ers run Jrue+Embiid and decide how to fill the cap otherwise and are no longer spacing f*cked running Embiid+Simmons. you have a 5 year timeline to figure it out with that core. embiid prob gasses out for his career after those 5 years anyways.

NO runs Zion+Simmons+Ball or Kuzma? (Zion point forward, Simmons is now his true position, a mega-draymond center)

LAL gets Brow+Lebron

makes too much sense imo

also trae + 8th and 10th in a **** draft vs Luka

fade me fam

New Orleans would want something more than Ben Simmons for Jrue and Brow

He has LAL sending Ball or Kuzma to NO. LAL still probably have to send Ball, Ingram, and Kuzma with the #4 to land AD.

gawd isn't that horrible for Zion, the NBA, life on earth, etc/?? I guess some wheeling and dealing can solve the dilemma but I think its horrible for Zion if he actually plays in New Orleans. And if they were to somehow take the court with AD and Zion, they still won't win, imo.

Not sure I like the Simmons and Zion fit or the Simmons and anyone fit. Maybe I just don’t like Simmons

its implied theyre gonna get the LAL assets that they would have wanted to get rid of for brow, sorry i didnt make that clear

ya cuz his samplesize as the center is so small. he could actually be a top 5 center or something lol.

I guess we can add another move down to each team.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/05/14/dra...las-mavericks/

Mavs should have hired a David Griffin. They still got Doncic last year cause other teams are as dumb as ****.