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Originally Posted by capone0
Why? Odds are he's going to a **** org.
Getting Fisher'd is a figure of speech that includes other incompetent situations, not just those that involve Jeff Fisher.
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Originally Posted by nath
I do think Allen is a better prospect than Hackenberg, because Hackenberg wasn't even capable of the highs Allen is capable of, and he couldn't really run either.
That's not saying much, though. QBing isn't about your highlight film; it's about getting it done play in and play out. I'd like Allen as a day-3 developmental prospect; he needs so much work to have a chance. That said, he compares most similarly to Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert in my view, and I suspect the NFL hasn't learned enough not to take those guys in the top 10.
Yeah, I'm probably a sucker. I just feel like most of the issues are caused by getting used to a larger frame & some sketchy footwork. I think he's probably going to be Cutler-ish. I also don't think a more athletic Drew Bledsoe coming out of college is a terrible comp.
Bledsoe:
Year | School | Conf | Class | Pos | G | Cmp | Att | Pct | Yds | Y/A | AY/A | TD | Int | Rate |
1990 | Washington State | Pac-10 | | QB | 7 | 92 | 189 | 48.7 | 1386 | 7.3 | 7.3 | 9 | 4 | 121.8 |
1991 | Washington State | Pac-10 | | QB | 11 | 199 | 358 | 55.6 | 2741 | 7.7 | 6.7 | 17 | 15 | 127.2 |
*1992 | Washington State | Pac-10 | | QB | 12 | 241 | 432 | 55.8 | 3246 | 7.5 | 6.9 | 20 | 15 | 127.2 |
Career | Washington State | | | | | 532 | 979 | 54.3 | 7373 | 7.5 | 6.9 | 46 | 34 | 126.2 |
Cutler:
Year | School | Conf | Class | Pos | G | Cmp | Att | Pct | Yds | Y/A | AY/A | TD | Int | Rate |
2002 | Vanderbilt | SEC | FR | QB | 11 | 103 | 212 | 48.6 | 1433 | 6.8 | 5.8 | 10 | 9 | 112.4 |
2003 | Vanderbilt | SEC | SO | QB | 12 | 187 | 327 | 57.2 | 2347 | 7.2 | 6.5 | 18 | 13 | 127.7 |
2004 | Vanderbilt | SEC | JR | QB | 11 | 147 | 241 | 61.0 | 1844 | 7.7 | 7.5 | 10 | 5 | 134.8 |
2005 | Vanderbilt | SEC | SR | QB | 11 | 273 | 462 | 59.1 | 3073 | 6.7 | 6.7 | 21 | 9 | 126.1 |
Career | Vanderbilt | | | | | 710 | 1242 | 57.2 | 8697 | 7.0 | 6.6 | 59 | 36 | 125.9 |
Allen:
Year | School | Conf | Class | Pos | G | Cmp | Att | Pct | Yds | Y/A | AY/A | TD | Int | Rate |
2015 | Wyoming | MWC | SO | QB | 2 | 4 | 6 | 66.7 | 51 | 8.5 | 8.5 | 0 | 0 | 138.1 |
*2016 | Wyoming | MWC | SO | QB | 14 | 209 | 373 | 56.0 | 3203 | 8.6 | 8.3 | 28 | 15 | 144.9 |
2017 | Wyoming | MWC | JR | QB | 11 | 152 | 270 | 56.3 | 1812 | 6.7 | 6.9 | 16 | 6 | 127.8 |
Career | Wyoming | | | | | 365 | 649 | 56.2 | 5066 | 7.8 | 7.7 | 44 | 21 | 137.7 |
Dunno. Just seems like these tall, big-armed dudes can take a little time to reign in their mechanics. This is a weird argument for me to make. I'm fully aware how he's the type of guy who routinely gets over-drafted & was one of the biggest lol'ers of Hack. I just think in the right system this guy could be totally competent.
Still wouldn't draft him before LJax or Rosen, though, & maybe not before Darnold. Most people seem to think Allen is boom or bust. I think there's actually reasons that someone like him is more likely to achieve competence & less likely to ever be great. I think LJax, Rosen, Darnold & Mayfield all have higher upsides.
My opinion on this is weird & indefensible, but it is what it is.