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07-04-2018 , 07:17 PM
Hey, remember when the Grizzlies didn't trade Tyreke Evans because they wanted to re-sign him this summer?
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07-04-2018 , 07:20 PM
So is Lebron bringing his fat, cherubic ***** Windy to LA with him?
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07-04-2018 , 07:38 PM
Odds that Kawhi is actually the Marvin Harrison of the NBA? Can’t trust the quiet ones anymore
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07-04-2018 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
Comparing Wiggins’ deal to Booker’s has a high probability of looking really dumb in a couple years.

Wiggins had Rubio and Towns his 3rd year. Booker had Shaq Harrison and Marquese Chriss.
It looks dumb now, and would look dumb if you reversed teammates.

Let's just say that Booker's numbers looked like Gordon Hayward's 3rd year. You'd STILL max him because you're paying for his projections and not what he was worth the previous season. We are talking about 22ish year-olds who both improved each of the previous seasons, so you're paying for that that player will be near the beginning and well into his peak. If some team thinks that it's an overpay because Hayward/Booker aren't worthy of 26M right now, then what they are basically saying is that they don't believe in their ability to improve such a player nor the player himself.

That's a terrible message to send to someone who has already shown that they have the ability to keep getting better.

Now let's go back to reality... Devin Booker's numbers are MUCH better than Hayward's were, they are damn-near historic. Yes his +-'s aren't great and he will probably have issues defensively, but offensively he's put up one of the best 21 year-old offensive seasons OAT, and that's on a young team that's not trying to win.

Booker is an LDO must-max, and I think Phoenix did exactly what they should by getting it done as soon as they did.

If I get time I'll rant about how this is different than the Wiggins situation, those aren't close.
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07-04-2018 , 08:36 PM
Great poast Seadood.

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07-04-2018 , 08:36 PM
Booker is not good enough to warrant a MAX this early. Towns and Jokic are. Its not even close and not understanding that simple concept... well, that between you and your god
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07-04-2018 , 08:44 PM
Devin Booker is basically drawing dead to be good as Carmelo or even Donovan Mitchell year to year
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07-04-2018 , 09:06 PM
I'm generally not sold on players with Booker's skill set because I see them as a tough fit in a multi-star core. Would you like him next to Simmons/Embiid in Philly or with LeBron in LA? What if you could replace Melo with him in OKC? How invincible do the Warriors look if you swap him for Klay Thompson?

it depends on if I think he has the capacity to try consistently on defense or be the primary playmaker on a title contender. Can he sacrifice like Ray Allen next to Garnett and Pierce or would he look more like Carmelo on the Thunder? I don't watch his games so I don't know, but I tend to be unenthusiastic about paying more than the MLE for scorers with no other positive features.

I wouldn't be happy about having my team's fortunes tied to Booker, but I think you have to max him just because other teams would. However, I would consider trading him and I think he will still have trade value halfway through his contract. I wouldn't have maxed Wiggins because I expected him to be as tradeable as he is now.
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07-04-2018 , 09:24 PM
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Hey, remember when the Grizzlies didn't trade Tyreke Evans because they wanted to re-sign him this summer?
Most NBA people are terrible at their jobs; could be the response to most of what transpires
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07-04-2018 , 09:30 PM
If Minnesota waited for Wiggins this offseason instead of MAXing him last offseason, they could have made a trade move, nd signed Boogie to a 3 year max deal.
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07-04-2018 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TingsRgunagetGROSS
If Minnesota waited for Wiggins this offseason instead of MAXing him last offseason, they could have made a trade move, nd signed Boogie to a 3 year max deal.


Damn Tings you are crushing it itt.
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07-04-2018 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Damn Tings you are crushing it itt.
PHX will not have max cap space going into next summer
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07-04-2018 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Damn Tings you are crushing it itt.
Lebron could hhave been like 'Trade me for Wiggins' and now: Teague, Butler, Lebron, Boogie, Towns

Lebron leads the OG Lakers to a title and then goes to LAL next offseason with Kawhi
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07-04-2018 , 10:50 PM
I'm on team Tings re: Booker.
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07-04-2018 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TingsRgunagetGROSS
If Minnesota waited for Wiggins this offseason instead of MAXing him last offseason, they could have made a trade move, nd signed Boogie to a 3 year max deal.
Lol


COULD HAVE MADE A TRADE MOVE

Derp


What makes you think they would have given Boogie that contract when no team was willing to sign him to more than a 1 year deal?
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07-04-2018 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TingsRgunagetGROSS
Devin Booker is basically drawing dead to be good as Carmelo or even Donovan Mitchell year to year
Lay odds then *****
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07-04-2018 , 11:15 PM
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Lol


COULD HAVE MADE A TRADE MOVE

Derp


What makes you think they would have given Boogie that contract when no team was willing to sign him to more than a 1 year deal?
Trade Gibson, 1 yr MAX Boogie. That would work fine too

BOOGIE CALLED THE WARRIORS, ughhhhhhh
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07-04-2018 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
I'm generally not sold on players with Booker's skill set because I see them as a tough fit in a multi-star core. Would you like him next to Simmons/Embiid in Philly or with LeBron in LA? What if you could replace Melo with him in OKC? How invincible do the Warriors look if you swap him for Klay Thompson?

it depends on if I think he has the capacity to try consistently on defense or be the primary playmaker on a title contender. Can he sacrifice like Ray Allen next to Garnett and Pierce or would he look more like Carmelo on the Thunder? I don't watch his games so I don't know, but I tend to be unenthusiastic about paying more than the MLE for scorers with no other positive features.

I wouldn't be happy about having my team's fortunes tied to Booker, but I think you have to max him just because other teams would. However, I would consider trading him and I think he will still have trade value halfway through his contract. I wouldn't have maxed Wiggins because I expected him to be as tradeable as he is now.
Booker is an elite fit next Simmons/Embiid. He’s a very good spot up shooter. He’s a great shooter off the dribble and closely guarded. He’s a 3-level scorer.

He’s obviously a huge improvement over Melo. He had a 56 TS% on 32 USG playing as a marked man. Melo had a 50 TS% on 23 USG playing as third banana.

The Warriors change negligibly if you swap Booker for Klay.

I agree with your premise that he has to either (A) become average defensively (like Pierce/Kobe level) or (B) become a Kyrie/Harden level initiator in order to become a top player on a contender.

That he’s accomplished so much, and shown a solid improvement arc, while being younger than Donovan Mitchell speaks volumes.
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07-04-2018 , 11:26 PM
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Lay odds then *****
WS48, BPM, VORP, RPM, +/-, Teams Wins are the 6 year to year categories. Ties are broken up going through this order: MVP, All-NBA, DPOY, Allstar, DPOY, AllNBA Defense, Player of the month, player of the week.

Ill put Booker at +120 each year by age. You MUST bet against Carmelo and Booker each year youd like to bet. Minimim 10k bet per year, Maximum bet 10k per year no escrow and failure to pay out within 7 days of the end of that nba calendar year is an auto forfeit of treble damages.

You can bet up to Carmelo's NBA age pf 31. And up until Mitchell turns 31.


You have to pick all the years upfront within the next 24 hours
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07-04-2018 , 11:38 PM
+120 "basically drawing dead" ITT
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07-04-2018 , 11:39 PM
+120 = drawing dead

I already win.
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07-04-2018 , 11:40 PM
heroball by 4th rd KO

was fun for a min though
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07-05-2018 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
Booker is an elite fit next Simmons/Embiid. He’s a very good spot up shooter. He’s a great shooter off the dribble and closely guarded. He’s a 3-level scorer.

He’s obviously a huge improvement over Melo. He had a 56 TS% on 32 USG playing as a marked man. Melo had a 50 TS% on 23 USG playing as third banana.

The Warriors change negligibly if you swap Booker for Klay.

I agree with your premise that he has to either (A) become average defensively (like Pierce/Kobe level) or (B) become a Kyrie/Harden level initiator in order to become a top player on a contender.

That he’s accomplished so much, and shown a solid improvement arc, while being younger than Donovan Mitchell speaks volumes.
Would Booker accept a role where he is primarily a spot up shooter? Is he worth the max if you use him that way or can you use that cap space better?

If Booker doesn't improve much defensively, will he be that guy who gets abused in PnR? (Paul Pierce was an underrated defender, btw.). When I talk about fit, I mean defense as much as offense. Is Booker a guy that you see fitting well into the top defensive teams or would they have to change their scheme's to compensate for his flaws?
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07-05-2018 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
Would Booker accept a role where he is primarily a spot up shooter? Is he worth the max if you use him that way or can you use that cap space better?

If Booker doesn't improve much defensively, will he be that guy who gets abused in PnR? (Paul Pierce was an underrated defender, btw.). When I talk about fit, I mean defense as much as offense. Is Booker a guy that you see fitting well into the top defensive teams or would they have to change their scheme's to compensate for his flaws?
I don’t think he’d be deployed best as *just* a spot up shooter, but he can definitely play off the ball at times.

The defensive questions are open. It remains to be seen whether he’s going to get scheme targeted. He is at least tall and has flashed signs of athleticism (chase down blocks, for example), so he’s unlikely to be a huge negative defensively in his prime.
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07-05-2018 , 12:28 AM
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+120 "basically drawing dead" ITT
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+120 = drawing dead

I already win.
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heroball by 4th rd KO

was fun for a min though
Hey morons, when a moron ask you to set a line, you set a line. I dont care if he takes it or not. I am not inclined to lose $, i want to win as much as possible and its my book so you can piss off if you dont like it.

Clearly the heroball thinks its more likely than that and i set a line reflective of that

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