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06-26-2018 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GTO2.0
Pretty sure Jerry West is calling the shots now.


Doc: Don't you dare trade my son!
Jerry West: Stay in yo lane *****.
Doc: Damn you Logo Man!
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06-26-2018 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
Otto-Porter is a random player in the league
lmao

why do you spend so much time in these threads if ur just gonna spout jibberish. dude is conservatibely top 30 ITL. aggressively u could say hes abt 15th best. theres a reason he was commanding a max contract.

also look up the history of big dudes after achilles tears and get back to me.
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06-26-2018 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
lmao

why do you spend so much time in these threads if ur just gonna spout jibberish. dude is conservatibely top 30 ITL. aggressively u could say hes abt 15th best. theres a reason he was commanding a max contract.

also look up the history of big dudes after achilles tears and get back to me.
TBF, in the current 5-year dynasty draft, Achilles Cousins went 16th and Otto-Porter went 35th.
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06-26-2018 , 09:19 PM
Cousins went way too high IMO.
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06-26-2018 , 09:23 PM
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Boogie pick is worse than Doncic prob.

Other than Doncic, the two achilles guys have been the worst picks.

16 is a awful spot. You can’t really win without a elite, all NBA first team calibre player. Cousins is that guy when healthy and all reports state he is making great progress. Gotta take the risk at 16 to get one of the last remaining elites.

Boogie seems real bad coming off an Achilles injury.

Boogie is a really bad pick imo.
Comments about the pick. LOL
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06-26-2018 , 09:25 PM
whoever took boogie 16th might be the only poster on 2p2 worse at GM'ing than grunfeld
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06-26-2018 , 09:26 PM
All i have to say is you don't trade a young top 15-30player, with multiple years left on his contract for Zhaire freaking smith & some mid tier 2021 pick, you just don't & the fact the 76ers did is why nobody i nthe league looks at Otto-Porter as no top 15-30 player.
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06-26-2018 , 09:26 PM
It was twigley...
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06-26-2018 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
All i have to say is you don't trade a young top 15-30player, with multiple years left on his contract for Zhaire freaking smith & some mid tier 2021 pick, you just don't & the fact the 76ers did is why nobody i nthe league looks at Otto-Porter as no top 15-30 player.
Your takes are consistently awful. Who knows if mikal will be Otto. The future unprotected number one is probably worth more than the 10 pick. Your analysis is quite faulty.
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06-26-2018 , 09:31 PM
Extreme Otto love and hate within posts of each other.
Otto is not a top 15 player, nor is he top 30 or even top 40. He's a very good role player, he helps other players. He is also very overpaid
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06-26-2018 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Extreme Otto love and hate within posts of each other.
Otto is not a top 15 player, nor is he top 30 or even top 40. He's a very good role player, he helps other players. He is also very overpaid


Pretty much this.
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06-26-2018 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Your takes are consistently awful. Who knows if mikal will be Otto. The future unprotected number one is probably worth more than the 10 pick. Your analysis is quite faulty.
The value of a 2021 pick is reduced somewhat just by virtue of the fact it’s so far in the future.

I’d say MIA 2019 unprotected would be ~12th or so today
MIA 2020 (assuming they get a bit worse) ~12th or so today
MIA 2021 (assuming they’re quite a bit worse) ~10th or so today

If it was the MIA 2019 unprotected and they were projected to be as bad next year as in 2021 it would be worth the 6th-8th pick today imo.
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06-26-2018 , 09:33 PM
He’s only 24 and has gotten better. He’s clearly better than an average role player.
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06-26-2018 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
The value of a 2021 pick is reduced somewhat just by virtue of the fact it’s so far in the future.

I’d say MIA 2019 unprotected would be ~12th or so today
MIA 2020 (assuming they get a bit worse) ~12th or so today
MIA 2021 (assuming they’re quite a bit worse) ~10th or so today

If it was the MIA 2019 unprotected and they were projected to be as bad next year as in 2021 it would be worth the 6th-8th pick today imo.
It’s likely worth more because that could potential be the first season where high schoolers are allowed back in.
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06-26-2018 , 09:41 PM
Oh man within a few posts we get Otto Porter = average player in the league and Otto Porter = conservatively top 30 player in the league. Interwebs!
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06-26-2018 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
It’s likely worth more because that could potential be the first season where high schoolers are allowed back in.


Bingo bango correctamundo.
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06-26-2018 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Jazz extended the QO to Exum. Wasn't a lock considering his QO is like 7mill.

My guess is he takes that given how tight the market is.
He didn't make starter criteria so his QO is like 4.3M iirc
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06-26-2018 , 09:43 PM
celtics having grizz pick in 20 or 21.. prob 21 is gonna print
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06-26-2018 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
All i have to say is you don't trade a young top 15-30player, with multiple years left on his contract for Zhaire freaking smith & some mid tier 2021 pick, you just don't & the fact the 76ers did is why nobody i nthe league looks at Otto-Porter as no top 15-30 player.
uhhhh zhaire smith is better than mikal bridges. also 2 years younger. also that pick is unprotected, its value is currently higher than mid tier based on heat's current contracts. i'm starting to think you are wooderson's alternate account with how consistently awful your takes are.

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Extreme Otto love and hate within posts of each other.
Otto is not a top 15 player, nor is he top 30 or even top 40. He's a very good role player, he helps other players. He is also very overpaid
idk how you define role player, but to me he is the best "role player" if we use the 3 and D stigma. hes obv no kawhi but he's absolutely the guy i want as my 2nd best player if youre putting him next to a franchise player.

people seem to forget how good the wizards starting unit is, and how much they are hampered by having a bottom 3 coach as well as a bottom 3 GM who gave them zero help on the bench.

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Originally Posted by Heroball
The value of a 2021 pick is reduced somewhat just by virtue of the fact it’s so far in the future.

I’d say MIA 2019 unprotected would be ~12th or so today
MIA 2020 (assuming they get a bit worse) ~12th or so today
MIA 2021 (assuming they’re quite a bit worse) ~10th or so today

If it was the MIA 2019 unprotected and they were projected to be as bad next year as in 2021 it would be worth the 6th-8th pick today imo.
i'd say you're correct just in terms of raw pick EV but the black swan element raises the pick EV imo. like the 5-10% of the time miami gets some random injuries or just has a really ****ing bad roster in 2020. suddenly you have a #1 overall pick sweat in the first year high schoolers are eligible. thats insane value. i'd prob consider it worth the 7th or so pick in a random draft class, idk
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06-26-2018 , 09:46 PM
Is this where we come to lol the 2019 draft & lol @ the Hawks again?
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06-26-2018 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Oh man within a few posts we get Otto Porter = average player in the league and Otto Porter = conservatively top 30 player in the league. Interwebs!
i know everyone loves to **** on RPM but otto is 13th
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06-26-2018 , 09:49 PM
I can see Zhaire being out of the league in a few years just like KJ Mcdaniels but hey, being able to jump & run= great nba player, skill doesn't even matter, smh.

Mikal Bridges will be great in the nba, his fit in Phoenix isn't perfect, unless booker is going to play the point but i see him helping them big time & i don't really see a difference between what Otto is doing compared to what is expected of Mikal.
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06-26-2018 , 09:50 PM
The consensus best player in the draft is a 6'6.5 wing with only slightly above average athleticism who shot 32% on 3s & 59% free throws last year, whose comp is apparently Michael Redd.
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06-26-2018 , 09:54 PM
If Mikal in a few years is as good as Otto then it clearly was a mistake by the Sixers. Thing is I like Bridges a lot but he's old for a rookie and could easily be a poor player as he could be a good one. I'm not sure what points you're trying to make here Exo but they're incredible dumb.

Avery Bradley is a comp for Zhaire. That's not a very good one. But the pick is worth a ton so that's why they made it.
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06-26-2018 , 10:02 PM
anytime you can stan for a draft pick who can buy beer legally over a draft pick who might be the best actual athlete in the NBA, you just gotta do it
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