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If you have a good diet & excercise routine & don't go through serious injuries these guys will still be top players in their early to mid 30's, signing a 4-5 year contract at 28-30 isn't bad in todays world with the information out there + all the illegal substances these guys are putting into their system. Westbrook is the only player i think will age badly really fast & that's because he relies way too much on athletic ability, Durant, Curry, Lebron etc all will age well.

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06-24-2018 , 12:42 PM

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Yeah, we talked this during the playoffs.

Unless you are like GS or Boston and your team is already built, it is almost impossible to pay a guy 42mill a year and then build a team around him.

But what's the alternative? Small market teams just have no chance? Your idea to give a cap discount to teams signing a guy is probably the best move. Like 20% of the guys contract doesn't count against the cap but owners probably want to keep every contract "on the books" as something like that would set a bad precedent.

I like this, especially if they made it for just the players who get the DPE (been with the team that drafted them 8 years, etc). So they could get 42M/year but only be charged 30ishM towards the cap. Seems like that would also increase player salaries as a whole because that extra money could be used for other players. I don't see how this hurts anyone, even the extreme cheapskate owners.

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06-24-2018 , 05:08 PM

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Looks like someone has to offer Clint a max. Would love if Dallas could get him, but Houston matching anything seems like a given.

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06-24-2018 , 05:18 PM

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I just don't think the C market is there. Dallas seems like the only team that is going to spend big $ on a big. Maybe Chicago or Atlanta wants to get involved? Seems unlikely given where they are in the rebuilding phase.

You got Boogie, Favors, Randle, Capela, Dwight, possibly DAJ (opt in looks more and more likely unless Dallas is going to pay him or LAC is going to extend him)

Wonder if Randle just takes the QO? Man, that would be tough taking 5.5M off the year he just had.

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06-24-2018 , 05:31 PM

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Seems like 3 or 4 years from now there are going to be a lot of former stars on really bad contracts. Wall, Harden, Westbrook, maybe Paul, probably LeBron, maybe PG, maybe Leonard, probably others that I'm not thinking of and/or are going to sign in the next year.

I'm not exactly excited to pay 34 year old Jimmy Butler 43M, and that's our good scenario (the bad scenario is he walks after this year and we are still over the cap with no way to replace him). Towns will be like 26/27.

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06-24-2018 , 05:35 PM

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Bron, PG sign with Lakers

Lonzo, Deng for Butler, Aldrich...who says no? Then randle takes the QO

LeBron-Butler-PG-Ingram-Randle

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06-24-2018 , 05:36 PM

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Boogie turns 28 this season and DAJ is turning 30. I want the Mavs to base all of their moves on maximizing Luka's potential. I'd rather not have salary cap potentially tied up three years from now with an unplayable big. Better to be patient or go in on someone who fits Luka's time frame. Luka-DSJ-Clint is a nice start.

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06-24-2018 , 05:46 PM

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I don't think Mavs are making the playoffs with any of those bigs I just mentioned. Although it is possible Carlisle could piece it together for a rd 1 shellacking at the hands of 1 of the elite teams.

If I were the Mavs I'd just take on some of these bad '16 FA deals and try to get good picks for taking them. You can send W3s out in these deals as well.

I wouldn't want to pay Capela an amount of money that Houston wouldn't match. He's a good young player but as the C market gets to be more and more of a buyers market over the next few years, I think passing on him will be the right move.

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06-24-2018 , 06:05 PM

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Lonzo, Deng for Butler, Aldrich...who says no?

lol the TWolves ever doing that

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06-24-2018 , 06:07 PM

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I mean they were an 8th seed this year and Butler is about to get a huge contract that he is probably going to underperform. And they have some other bad contracts like Dieng, Teague that aren't coming off for few more years.

They aren't really better than a 6 seed type team in the West and should be building for the future.

Maybe Thibs would quit too.

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06-24-2018 , 06:15 PM

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Its being reported that the Spurs wont trade Kawhi to the West. I think its just a bluff to build leverage, but anyways its news thats somewhat related to what Im about to post.

The Spurs actually have a lot of leverage over the Lakers in a Kawhi trade. It not only gives them another year of Kawhi, but also makes its so much easier on the Lakers if they trade for Kawhi now.

If Kawhi was off the table and signed his 5 year extension with the Spurs the Lakers plan to get LeBron and PG becomes pretty easy. You can just stretch Deng and then have about 5 million in space and the mini mid level to help around them.

If your plan is to sign PG and LeBron now to max deals and then sign Kawhi next summer then you no longer have the option to stretch Deng. If you cant stretch Deng, then you either have to dump him now attaching aseets, or dump Lonzo now, or dump Ingram plus 2 of Hart/Kuzma/their 25th pick this year to get enough space to sign LeBron and PG to maxes. And everyone you dont dump now you need to dump by next summer. LeBron and PG at their maxes with 5% raises, plus Kawhi at his max next summer, plus 9 minimum roster charges still puts you 2 million over next years projected cap on a fully bare bones team.

If you tell LeBron to sign without PG this summer with the hopes of being able to get Kawhi next summer LeBron probably doesn't come and waste what will probably be the best season he has left in him on the chance that Kawhi signs the next season.

Or the Lakers could suck it up trade Deng and whatever it takes to get Kawhi this summer and sign LeBron and PG to go with him. Option 3 is so much better than the first 2 options that I think the Spurs actually have a lot of leverage over the Lakers.

If you swap CP3 in for PG in these talks it complicates it even more since CP3s max starts at 5 million more.

Yea, I'd thought about how it's likely not as easy as LAL fans think with "well lol we'll just sign him in 2019 then", but didn't know the numbers etc. involved, thanks for writing.

Biggest problem is if Kawhi states he will sit with "injury" for any team other than LAL, but SAS can still play chicken with LAL throughout the summer until they have to make their moves for LBJ/PG. Not sure how that could play out.

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06-24-2018 , 06:49 PM

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Well, he's said he just wants to go LA. So presumably if the Spurs don't make the move, then he could sign with the Clippers. If he is truly that serious about going to LA.

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06-24-2018 , 07:52 PM

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Bron, PG sign with Lakers

Lonzo, Deng for Butler, Aldrich...who says no?

The Timberwolves really easily.

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06-24-2018 , 08:43 PM

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They were 2 games back of the 3rd seed, and were missing their most valuable player for 20 games. Not sure how that makes them at best a 6 seed. Can agree with Thibs though maybe.

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06-24-2018 , 10:49 PM

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2/3 of the league just isn't this smart, they're gonna be the only team on the market bidding against themselves giving someone 3/80 or w/e. When what they should do is probably just keep signing 1 year prove it deals until the right guy becomes available. You'll just always be able to find someone in the Dedmon/Favors range for the MLE. I mean what they should REALLY do is take on bad money and get assets for another year or two, but you know that ain't happenin'

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06-24-2018 , 11:11 PM

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Mavs are 100% going after a center & offering them big $, Rick Carlile already gave the explanation of why they traded next year draft pick as a who cares about draft picks answers. Carlile almost left the Mavs to go elsewhere & he only stayed because Cuban advised him they won't be tanking. They will max Capella, give DAJ 3-4years $25mill per & give Boogie close to the max.

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06-24-2018 , 11:23 PM

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They can't do all three at the same time. Good lord boogie would be a disastrous fit there.

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06-24-2018 , 11:25 PM

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And be a 6-10 seed in the West for eternity.

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06-24-2018 , 11:38 PM

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No thanks regarding DAJ or Boogie. Think the Mavs will go after them hard though. You know those guys ceilings. Nothing to get excited about.

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06-24-2018 , 11:49 PM

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Without a draft pick for next year, you guys would rather the Mavs just do a firesale on Barnes & whatever they can get for Mathews & rebuild for the next 5+years? I rather them give a big contract to a center for 3years & see how far they can go. Even after giving a big contract this summer they still will have a max spot next summer & Barnes who i feel is a decent third option is 26, i'm resigned to following the Mavs next season so i'd rather them throw the big $ around this summer tbh.

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06-24-2018 , 11:49 PM

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I actually don't mind trying to max out Capela, and then when that doesn't work maybe you give 1/20 to Derrick Favors. But you cannot give 20m+ per year to Boogie or DAJ for 3+ seasons. You could see 3/50 with a partial guarantee or team option being ok compromise, but the Mavs don't see like a compromise kind of team

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06-24-2018 , 11:50 PM

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Without a draft pick for next year, you guys would rather the Mavs just do a firesale on Barnes & whatever they can get for Mathews & rebuild for the next 5+years? I rather them give a big contract to a center for 3years & see how far they can go. Even after giving a big contract this summer they still will have a max spot next summer & Barnes who i feel is a decent third option is 26, i'm resigned to following the Mavs next season so i'd rather them throw the big $ around this summer tbh.

I'll tell you what, if they sign a C this offseason, we can bet the equivalent of a farm that they do not go to the second round of the playoffs even once in that 3 year window.

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06-25-2018 , 12:10 AM

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How would you feel if the Mavs offered Julius Randle 4years $50-60 mill? He fits with the timeline of the team, abit undersized but in this small ball age i don't mind it, i'm still not understanding why a guy like Nerlen Noel isn't killing it in todays age, as a defensive big he should be as good as it gets.

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06-25-2018 , 12:14 AM

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Mavs should sign Kanter

Mebbe 14.5m/yr for 4 years (on a slightly rising scale) with the last a mutual option. They them don't have to max out a C, have a relatively young one - who Luka can use as a useful nba practice target - and can let him go if he _still_ hasn't learnt to play a spot of defence in yet another 3 years.