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06-20-2018 , 11:26 AM
BK only has Crabbe and rookie deal guys on the books for next year. Crabbe could opt out and take a longer deal with shorter $ per year or possibly just be moved in the last year of his deal.

BK could really have like 80-90m of cap space next year with Levert/Allen still on rookie deals+a top 5 pick.


I'd like to see Dwight get bought out and go to the Wizards. Seems like a good fit, team that really can't get much better and he could represent an upgrade at the C position for them. Playing with a real PG could get him the types of looks he needs to be a decent offensive player and his D/rebounding would be a big upgrade.
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06-20-2018 , 11:35 AM
Hard for Charlotte to go after free agents when they'll be paying Batum/Cody Zeller $43.5m in 2020/2021. Unless Batum turns down his $27.1m player option
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06-20-2018 , 11:56 AM
Nice for the Nets. Paid a pretty low price to get off an extra year of dead money. Now they can pursue FAs in 19. If that doesn't work out, it could just be an arbitrage situation where they take on more bad money in exchange for better assets than what they sent to Charlotte.
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06-20-2018 , 11:58 AM
I might have once said the Batum contract is better than the Derozan one. Goes to show no one is ever right about the craptors. Either way too bullish or way too bearish
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06-20-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Gene Parmesan
Nice for the Nets. Paid a pretty low price to get off an extra year of dead money. Now they can pursue FAs in 19. If that doesn't work out, it could just be an arbitrage situation where they take on more bad money in exchange for better assets than what they sent to Charlotte.


Kind of fitting that Kupchak (who gave Mozgov that turrible contract) winds up with him. lol
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06-20-2018 , 12:32 PM
interested in what kpelton says if anyone with (Insider) wants to share

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/...rnets-deal-nba
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06-20-2018 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by King~of~Diamonds
interested in what kpelton says if anyone with (Insider) wants to share

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/...rnets-deal-nba


+1

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06-20-2018 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by King~of~Diamonds
interested in what kpelton says if anyone with (Insider) wants to share

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/...rnets-deal-nba
Don’t have time to summarize but he said B+ for nets and D+ for Hornets.
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06-20-2018 , 01:44 PM
what a nerd. this puts Charlotte in contention for the playoffs
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06-20-2018 , 01:57 PM
Seems likely Charlotte is ready to tank.

Batum is probably the only one that will be really tough to move. Everyone else you can probably move in the right deal and take some other bad contracts/picks back.

Kemba probably gets dealt in the next 1-2 weeks.
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06-20-2018 , 02:16 PM
I think the opposite. They did this to push for the playoffs

We're having the draft before we hand out the NBA awards? What is this
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06-20-2018 , 02:44 PM
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We're having the draft before we hand out the NBA awards? What is this
This does seem pretty strange to me. Like we're starting the offseason before last season is wrapped up
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06-20-2018 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by King~of~Diamonds
I think the opposite. They did this to push for the playoffs

We're having the draft before we hand out the NBA awards? What is this
Been a lot of reports they're looking to move Kemba for a pick.

They were relatively healthy last year and still only won 36 games, just seems like it is time for them to blow it up.
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06-20-2018 , 03:56 PM
http://amp.tmz.com/2018/06/20/nick-young-cocaine

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Nick Young's thrilled marijuana is becoming legal across the country ... but he's already onto the next issue -- COKE!!!

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06-20-2018 , 04:24 PM
LMAO Swaggy gonna get hit with a random drug test
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06-20-2018 , 04:33 PM
I have a question about potential LeBron destinations. I've heard the reports that Chris Paul says LeBron wants to go to LA, previous reports that his son committed to an LA high school, previous news that he bought a second home in LA, rumors of entertainment sources saying he is coming to LA and has put things in motion from a marketing standpoint, etc.

But what are the relevant reports about LeBron going to other teams? Not speculation about why it might make sense, or fit, or opinion, but reports that say he wants to go there, rumors that indicate he is signing there, etc?
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06-20-2018 , 04:39 PM
I don't think there have been any? It's been quiet on that front.
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06-20-2018 , 04:40 PM
The reports are typically around going to those teams with the assets/capability to contend immediately or where his friends are.

1) Boston-seems dead but they have the assets but Kyrie seems like a hurdle
2) Houston-very close to winning without him but Cp3/Harden seem like a good fit but people wonder about ball domination by all 3; worries about going out West--articles are out there about Cp3 heavily recruiting Lebron
3) PHL-seems like a great fit but BC issues hurt ; Embiid/Simmons are young--can Simmons/Lebron fit since Simmons can't shoot
4) SAS-makes no sense with Kawhi leaving
5) Cleveland-does he want to stay home--can they upgrade their situation significantly else I can't see him staying
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06-20-2018 , 05:29 PM
Capone,

You are sleeping on the Clippers

Giilbert takes Danilo+Austin Rivers + 12 + 13 from the Clippers anytime between now and draft night
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06-20-2018 , 05:37 PM
anytime between now and tomorrow
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06-20-2018 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TingsRgunagetGROSS
Capone,

You are sleeping on the Clippers

Giilbert takes Danilo+Austin Rivers + 12 + 13 from the Clippers anytime between now and draft night
Why would Lebron opt in to goto the Clippers?
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06-20-2018 , 06:59 PM
Nets can actually be a real team in 2019/2020.

This year they finally get their own draft pick.

And in terms of stuff on the books for next summer they are looking much better.

Theyll still have to pay Allen Crabbe 18.5, but outside of that its looking good.
Jarrett Allen at 2.4
LeVert at 2.6
The 29th pick from this year at 1.9
Say they draft 8th next year then 4.8 for that
Theyll have Spencer Dinwiddies bird rights with just a 1.6 cap hold which would allow them to go way over the cap to resign him.

And thats really it which would give them ~70 million in cap space.

Right now theres lots of talk about them shopping Jeremy Lin, whos expiring, because they already have Dinwiddie and Russell and to some extend LeVert, but they should learn from the Lakers with Julius Randle this summer(where they might lose him for nothing because they need the space)*and if they plan to go big game hunting in free agency next year they should probably trade away D'Angelo Russell too unless they can resign him to a nice deal. His cap hold will be at over 21 million next summer taking up a ton of that cap space making him probably more valuable to another team. Hollis-Jefferson is in a similar situation as a RFA too but at a much smaller cap hold of 7.4

Last edited by Moneyball16; 06-20-2018 at 07:05 PM.
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06-20-2018 , 07:02 PM
Also the Hornets very likely made this move with the playoffs in mind.

They have Zeller and Hernangomez to take up the center minutes which is fine, but now they have enough space under the tax to be able to basically use their full MLE to add elsewhere.

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Spoiler:
The deal
Nets get: Center Dwight Howard

Hornets get: Center Timofey Mozgov, 2018 second-rounder (No. 45) and a 2021 second-rounder


Get more trade grades for every deal here

Brooklyn Nets: B+

From the Nets' standpoint, this is an interesting exchange of cap space this summer for more of it in 2019. At $23.8 million in the final year of a three-year contract that has already taken him to three different teams, Howard makes $7.8 million more than Mozgov (also joining his third team in three years on his current contract). However, Mozgov is also under contract for $16.7 million in 2018-19, and with this trade Brooklyn just cleared all of that as cap space.

So basically, the Nets have doubled their cap dollars, assuming they did not plan to stretch Mozgov's contract at any point. That's not necessarily as huge a win as it sounds, because cap space is so limited throughout the league this year. I estimate that a dollar will buy twice as many wins this summer as it will in 2019, when Brooklyn will have plenty of competition for free agents.


From a timing perspective, the Nets angling to be players in the summer of 2019 makes more sense. For the first time since trading for Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce on draft night five years ago, Brooklyn actually holds its own first-round pick, meaning there's no rush for the Nets to improve this season.

Brooklyn also can be a much bigger player in free agency next summer, when the team now has just one player under contract for more than $2.7 million, wing Allen Crabbe. At this point, the Nets project to have up to about $65 million in cap space, which would be enough to make max offers to two players with 7-9 years of experience, such as Kyrie Irving and Kawhi Leonard. (To get there, the team would have to renounce cap holds for restricted free agents Rondae Hollis-Jefferson and D'Angelo Russell, who are extension-eligible this summer entering the final season of their rookie contracts.)

Alternatively, Brooklyn could also consider making use of Howard, DeMarre Carroll ($15.4 million, with plenty of on-court value) and Jeremy Lin ($12.5 million coming off a ruptured patella) as three of the largest expiring contracts available before the 2019 trade deadline.

Thus far, we've treated this strictly as an exchange of salaries. The difference is that while Mozgov's salary provided almost no value -- in fact, he rated 0.7 wins worse than replacement level last season now that I'm adjusting for the higher replacement value of centers -- Howard can still play. Even with that adjustment to reduce the value of centers, Howard still posted 5.0 wins above replacement player (WARP) during his lone season in Charlotte, though he doesn't figure to be as effective going forward at age 32.

The downside for the Nets is that Howard also still expects to start and be a big part of the team. That could be an impediment to the development of second-year center Jarrett Allen, who showed promise last season as a lob finisher (he shot 60 percent on 2-point attempts) and shot-blocker (he was slightly more prolific at blocking shots per attempt than Howard).

There's also the issue of bringing Howard into the locker room of a team relatively short on veteran leadership. So on balance, it might be slightly better for Brooklyn if Howard were merely a contract. Those concerns aside, this is still a winning deal for the Nets in the long run. They're set up to have a much more interesting summer in 2019.

Charlotte Hornets: D+

From the Hornets' perspective, the financial incentives in this deal were reversed. After adding Howard last summer, Charlotte was feeling the squeeze of the luxury tax. The Hornets projected to enter this offseason with about $750,000 in wiggle room below the tax and just 12 spots on the roster filled. Something had to give. The question is whether new GM Mitch Kupchak made the right sacrifice to get there.

The $7.8 million saved in this trade will allow the Hornets to use most of their non-taxpayer midlevel exception to fill out the roster and still avoid the tax. The cost is twofold: swapping Howard for Mozgov has weakened Charlotte's center rotation, and adding Mozgov's $16.7 million salary for 2019-20 limits the Hornets' flexibility a year from now.

In fact, Charlotte now finds itself in a worse position than one year ago, when the Hornets swapped the similar but smaller contract of Miles Plumlee (who makes $12.5 million each of the next two seasons) along with expiring salaries for Howard. Plumlee provides slightly more on-court value than Mozgov and will make less money, so they would have been better off just standing pat than making the combination of trades.

Charlotte did add depth at center in the meantime by acquiring Willy Hernangomez from the New York Knicks at the trade deadline. Despite defensive limitations, Hernangomez (who recently turned 24) was overqualified as a third center, averaging 9.5 points and 7.5 rebounds in just 16.8 minutes per game over the final 13 games of last season after the Hornets shut down Cody Zeller. Clearing a rotation spot for Hernangomez is the best part of this deal for Charlotte.

At the same time, the Hornets need ample depth at center because of Zeller's injury history. He played just 33 games last season, experiencing soreness in his left knee at the end of the year after undergoing surgery on the meniscus in that knee in December. Howard's presence helped Charlotte stay afloat without Zeller; the team went 22-27 in games he missed during 2017-18 (a .449 winning percentage) after winning just three of the 20 Zeller sat out in 2016-17 (.150).

If and when Zeller misses time next season, the Hornets' options at center besides Hernangomez are unappealing. They could play Mozgov, whom Kupchak liked enough to sign to this albatross contract as GM of the L.A. Lakers two summers ago. (Mozgov's contract was surely one of the reasons Kupchak lost his job shortly thereafter.) Or new head coach James Borrego could turn to Frank Kaminsky in the middle, though such lineups were outscored by 7.8 points per 100 possessions last season according to data from NBA Advanced Stats. (Charlotte had a more reasonable minus-1.1 net rating when Kaminsky played power forward.)

Assuming the Hornets intend to compete next season -- and making this trade signals they do, because otherwise they could have found a way to get under the tax line that would have been more painful on the court but better financially in the long run -- another long-term Zeller injury could dash that hope.

Going forward, Charlotte's financial picture isn't much brighter. If Kemba Walker leaves as an unrestricted free agent next summer, adding Mozgov's salary to the books means the Hornets will have limited cap space at best. If Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Marvin Williams both pick up 2019-20 player options, Charlotte would likely be limited to using the midlevel exception. And if Walker re-signs at anything close to his maximum salary (an estimated $32.4 million), the Hornets will likely be right back in the situation of needing to dump salary to avoid the luxury tax.

Given those options, I'd probably rather have just looked to buy out Howard and stretch his remaining salary instead of making this trade if the Hornets felt dumping him was their best way to avoid the tax. This trade doesn't offer Charlotte enough financial benefit in the long run to justify making it, from my perspective.
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06-20-2018 , 07:22 PM
Nets should hit up the Thunder and see about a Melo for Crabbe deal framework. Help the Thunder cut out their cancer and help their tax payments and go all in for the next offseason for the Nets. The Nets would have some trouble getting close enough to match salaries tho.

Thats the only deal of that nature I can see right now that would help them get off Crabbes salary next summer without losing a significant future asset. Some expiring contract might get hurt or fall off a cliff this year though.

Does Melos no trade clause still work?
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06-20-2018 , 07:59 PM
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Dwight for Moz and 2 2nds

damn

Guess Cha is gonna tank next few years
2 2nds seems like an awful return for absorbing Moz like this.
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