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There have been some rumors about how he and Kyrie Irving want to play together. Also about how he is skeptical of Andrew Wiggins.

The Kings are looking for a SF, have cap space that allows for some flexibility in trades, and are bad at evaluating talent. Is there a Wiggins-to-Sacramento deal that is possible?

Pretty sure the only people not skeptical of Andrew Wiggins talent/ability are the Timberwolves ownership who gave him that deal. Wiggins would likely be better/more effective if he wasn't surrounded by KAT, Butler and Teague and could up his usage for a bad team. Most most valuable talents aren't that valuable for the Wolves.

How would Kyrie/Butler work? Kyrie and Butler become FA and sign somewhere?

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07-11-2018 , 07:35 PM

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Lonzo + Ingram is the farm especially when they already gave up Randle.

I think teams trying to do a major deal with the Lakers should aim for everything except Ball/Ingram. Start out asking for LA to clean out the cupboard and settle for Kuzma, Hart, and picks.

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07-11-2018 , 07:39 PM

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Other than Lebron, what valuable assets to the Lakers have after Ball/Ingram--Kuzma I think is overrated by most? Nobody wants Rondo, Lance or McGee. Hart has been good in summer league but their assets dwindle after those few guys. This team is basically the Cavs of the West. If they start liquidating draft picks for players, they will truly become the 2018 Cavs. Love was good until he got hurt multiple times at the end of the season and playoffs last year. Odds are Love 2018 will be more valuable than 2019 Lonzo/Ingram by many metrics.

Does Deng have much value? KCP is alright I guess as well.

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07-11-2018 , 07:44 PM

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Ingram>> Ball>>Kuzma>> Hart>>Wagner>> Mykhailiuk. I like all 6 of those young assets, i feel like they could make the playoffs in the east tbh hahha.

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07-11-2018 , 07:47 PM

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How would Kyrie/Butler work? Kyrie and Butler become FA and sign somewhere?

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07-11-2018 , 07:48 PM

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East has what 6 lockish teams--Celtics, Philly, Toronto, Bucks, Pacers, Wizards. Heat, Pistons, Hornets, Knicks probably have some shot. Lakers .....no way they win 30 games with that core even in the East.

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07-11-2018 , 07:50 PM

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Maybe the Raptors would trade for Wiggins and hope that going to Canada will trigger the same improvement that IU star Victor Oladipo going to Indiana had.

The easiest way for a Kyrie/Butler team-up to work is for the Celtics to trade for Butler, but I don't think they are giving up either Brown or Tatum for anyone except Anthony Davis right now (and they can't trade for him until Irving's current contract ends). They can both decline player options next summer, so it gives them leverage to push for max contracts because it gives them a motive for leaving. Without Kawhi on the books, the Spurs could create enough room to sign both.

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07-11-2018 , 07:53 PM

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thoughts on oladipo 2019 NBA MVP bet? curious what the odds will be. that seems like one that could be priced relatively long that has a decent shot of hitting now that the eastern conference is barren. could totally see him making alpha dog leap and putting up westbrook volume. not sure if adding tyreke helps or hurts that cause. gotta assume they go with point dipo and less collison in the starting lineup.

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07-11-2018 , 07:54 PM

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p.g- Lonzo
s.g- Hart
s.f- Ingram
p.f- Kuzma
C- Wagner
6th man- Mykhailiuk

That team looks pretty good tbh. Lakers won 35 games in the west last year & the 8th seed in the east is the Wizards with 43 wins who are a lock to have John Wall injured & miss most of the season. Even if next year that roster wouldn't make it to the playoffs in 2-3years they would be pretty good.

I'm just saying that Lakers have some nice pieces & pieces at pretty much every position.

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07-11-2018 , 08:00 PM

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I don't consider the Wizards to be a lock. They added Dwight Howard to a combustible locker room. There is some potential for this to be the season that makes them want to blow it up and start a rebuild.

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07-11-2018 , 08:03 PM

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I like the way you think Clayton!

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07-11-2018 , 08:04 PM

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They also had Randle and Brolo last year. Randle was easily their best player last season (except maybe by RPM where Lonzo led)).

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The drop off after the Wizards is pretty severe. Unless the Wiz decide to actively blow things up they should make it. I hate Wall but he missed half the season and likely had his worst season of his prime years. If they could move Wall for someone of similar value I think they'd be near lockish--I think Wall is the issue--his teammates hate him and he's not that great.

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I think that's a great value

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07-11-2018 , 08:15 PM

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LeBron James +300
Anthony Davis +400
Giannis Antetokoumpo +400
James Harden +400
Kevin Durant +1000
Kawhi Leonard +1500
Stephen Curry +1500
Joel Embiid +2000
Kyrie Irving +2000
Russell Westbrook +2000
Ben Simmons +2000
Karl-Anthony Towns +5000
Damian Lillard +6000
Chris Paul +10000
DeMar DeRozan +10000
DeMarcus Cousins +10000
Donovan Mitchell +10000
Jimmy Butler +10000
John Wall +10000
LaMarcus Aldrdige +10000
Lonzo Ball +10000
Nikola Jokic +10000
Paul George +10000
Victor Oladipo +10000
Blake Griffin +25000
Devin Booker +25000
Jayson Tatum +25000

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/20...s-lebron-james

When has an MVP come straight out of left field? I guess, Rose and Nash?

Indy is going to have to win 58+ games next year to get Dipo legit equity. That seems like a long shot.

Not even sure how Cousins is a real bet. There are more listed. Seems like it's a shot in the dark.

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07-11-2018 , 08:16 PM

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Wall is an amazing player but he's just made of glass, the best ability is availability & his body is just breaking down at age 27, not looking good. If healthy i'd rather have Wall than Kyrie.

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07-11-2018 , 08:20 PM

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p.g- Lonzo
s.g- Hart
s.f- Ingram
p.f- Kuzma
C- Wagner
6th man- Mykhailiuk

That team looks pretty good tbh. Lakers won 35 games in the west last year & the 8th seed in the east is the Wizards with 43 wins who are a lock to have John Wall injured & miss most of the season. Even if next year that roster wouldn't make it to the playoffs in 2-3years they would be pretty good.

I'm just saying that Lakers have some nice pieces & pieces at pretty much every position.

Lakers did well against the absolute trash of the league but were terrible against decent teams. 15-37 against teams .500 or better, comparable to tanking teams like Dallas who won 14 and Sacramento and Memphis who won 13.

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07-11-2018 , 08:22 PM

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Wall's best season was his last-23 PER on 54% TS%--this season due to injuries and what not, it was 19/51%. Most of his best seasons have been in the 20 PER/52%TS% range which is bad for a max player. Kyrie has operated in the 22-25 range the last few seasons but his TS% 58-59% range--but obviously Wall is a much better play maker, just not very efficient. I also like that Kyrie has been very good in the playoffs (Wall has been good as well) but exceptional at times vs GSW. I'll assume Wall has better D. But they're very different players.

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07-11-2018 , 08:30 PM

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For him to have a shot at MVP, Oladipo needs to either shoot more 3s or get to the line more. He shot nearly identical from 2 and 3 to Harden last season but Harden attempted 4 more 3s per game (and 2 less 2s) and got to the line 6 more times per game.

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07-11-2018 , 09:43 PM

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All aboard the YOLO4MVP hype train

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07-11-2018 , 10:06 PM

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russ 20-1 seems decent. basically just an over 55 wins okc prop cuz hes gonna get his $tat$ with melo gone

davis seems okay, but probably just too injury prone

oladipo best of the super long shots.

rest of the prices are pretty bad.

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07-11-2018 , 10:11 PM

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AD has been top 15 in minutes played the last 2 years.

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07-11-2018 , 10:21 PM

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im very bullish on OKC in general with melo gone but im not sure if thats gonna translate to westbrook or PG mvp odds. i think they will kinda cancel each other out.

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im not sure thats a great source yet, cuz i doubt that book is liquid enough to take bets worth a hoot.

i would empty the freaking clip on dipo at +10000 but i doubt these books would let me put on more than a couple hundo before they move the line down to +3000 or some nonsense.

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07-11-2018 , 10:25 PM

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other lines i think have value, even tho i dont think this book is quoting real figures that will be useful between now and preseason

Stephen Curry +1500 (betting on KD injury)

Chris Paul +10000 (betting on Harden injury)

Jimmy Butler +10000 (betting on him switching teams and carrying)

Victor Oladipo +10000

Devin Booker +25000 (just too long in general for someone with this skillset on a team that could potentially surprise)

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07-11-2018 , 10:56 PM

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Agree Russ is def the value on that list

Will need to win way more games than in '17 but same blueprint. Very good D team and high usage/bulk stats/decent efficiency for a 55+ win team.

PG isn't really in that level of player that "cancels out" another guy in the MVP race. He's just below that. Especially during the regular season.

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