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Old 06-22-2018, 01:21 PM   #51
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Re: 2018 NBA 5 Year Dynasty Draft

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Old 06-22-2018, 01:21 PM   #52
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I don't mind KAT. I have an affinity for post-hype sleepers and he knows Thibs is a dolt, so you know he's got a good head on his shoulders
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:25 PM   #53
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KAT is fine just don't like that he's not an elite defender. I'd have to debate about picking him 8th if Curry was not available and Doncic wasn't picked. Doncic is much better if contracts and if this was a full dynasty. In this, he's a super stretch. Like I can't imagine him being a top 5 player in any of the next 5 years with KD/Kawhi/Giannis/AD likely locking up 4 of the 5 spots and Lebron/Harden/Curry having a shot at one of the 5 spots the next few 5 years.

The next 10-15 picks are much more interesting than the top 9.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:26 PM   #54
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Re: 2018 NBA 5 Year Dynasty Draft

Feel like Harden likely peaked, played 72 games last year; Steph's injury concerns are well known. Those were my three.

If it was a three year, instead of a five, I take Harden.

I'll get literally every drop of KAT's prime with Thib's coaching him (if they both stuck the entire tenure). He's going to be near dead man walking after.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:30 PM   #55
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I'm gonna state I'm not the biggest Curry fan but before this season he missed between 3 and 4 games the last 6 regular seasons of which some were likely due to rest.

Harden is probably more valuable in this than a regular league since he can handle more load and there won't be super elite squads like the Warriors that exist.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:33 PM   #56
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Re: 2018 NBA 5 Year Dynasty Draft

Sure, just talking moving forward as well. Don't mean to overstate it, just a potential deciding factor between picks.

Could Steph handle the load of being a true #1 that whole time? And (potentially) for five years moving forward? He's shared shots his whole career, starting with Monta.

*Monta wasn't getting drafted*
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:36 PM   #57
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Steph has been in the 30%+ usage range the last 3 years and 28% the 2 years before that (he's 15th all time in usage). Like I'm not sure how he'd do jumping to 35% but KAT has been at 25%, 29% and 22% his first 3 years.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:39 PM   #58
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Re: 2018 NBA 5 Year Dynasty Draft

It's not apples to apples, positionally.

KAT has some pretty ball dominant players with him (understatement). He doesn't have the luxury that Steph does, starting with the ball. Or, you know, a coach with a system.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:42 PM   #59
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KD is 10th all time in usage.

He also plays with another guy who has +24% career usage. The lead assist guy isn't Curry on the Warriors, the ball goes through another player on most plays.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:44 PM   #60
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Right. Now does he struggle to stay healthy if he doesn't have those guys?
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:45 PM   #61
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Is he getting hurt because he takes too many shots or would if he took more shots? Like I'm not sure what you're getting at here but it seems stupid.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:46 PM   #62
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If the shots were harder to come by. If he had to play like Harden, for example.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:47 PM   #63
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4. Doncic might be the worst pick of all time
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:49 PM   #64
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If the shots were harder to come by. If he had to play like Harden, for example.
Yes if I had Curry playing Iso ball he probably wouldn't be as good but I'm not going to have him play Iso ball. That would be a huge waste of his talents.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:51 PM   #65
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Re: 2018 NBA 5 Year Dynasty Draft

With the exception of Doncic, I don't see a lot of difference in value between these guys. Kawhi/Giannis/AD seem like the best afa peaks are concerned, but there are things about all three that you can criticize.

I think Harden/Steph/Lebron/KD are clearly better players than the above, but they are also older, and the best player is the oldest.

It's a really interesting draft because I couldn't argue any order (sans Doncic) with any real conviction.

KAT is like right in the middle, probably a top 15 player now but has another few years to get better...
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:52 PM   #66
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Yes if I had Curry playing Iso ball he probably wouldn't be as good but I'm not going to have him play Iso ball. That would be a huge waste of his talents.
I didn't realize you took him. Carry on.

This is stupid tho:

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Thanks to Doncic and KAT getting picked early got myself an elite piece.
KAT is an elite piece.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:59 PM   #67
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KAT is a high floor pick. Hard to imagine him not being a top 20 player all 5 years. Hard to imagine him being top 5 tho
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:04 PM   #68
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If he improves defensively, it's easily imaginable.

He can do everything you want from your 5 on offense, and already produces it at this age (surrounded by chuckers). While rebounding at a v high rate already too.
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:09 PM   #69
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I'd also like a larger sample of how he handles the playoffs--this year against the Rockets is it so I'm not sure how good he can be against elite competition. Everyone else selected so far other than Doncic has a much larger sample size in the playoffs and I'd power rank playoff ownage as:

Lebron > KD > Kawhi > AD (small sample) > Curry > Harden > KAT (really small sample)
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:11 PM   #70
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Sure, that's fair. This is all speculative and moving forward.
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:19 PM   #71
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Re: 2018 NBA 5 Year Dynasty Draft

I don't really see it being all that hard to imagine KAT having a few seasons as a top 5 player. In fact I think its pretty likely he will.
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:23 PM   #72
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KAT is a high floor pick. Hard to imagine him not being a top 20 player all 5 years. Hard to imagine him being top 5 tho
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If he improves defensively, it's easily imaginable.

He can do everything you want from your 5 on offense, and already produces it at this age (surrounded by chuckers). While rebounding at a v high rate already too.
Yeah the obvious route to KAT being top 5 is defensive improvement. But even with that improvement, imo it's tough to see him as a top 5 player the next 5 years due to the disadvantage of:

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He doesn't have the luxury that Steph does, starting with the ball.
Even still, KAT at 7 is a perfectly reasonable pick. He's a stud and in almost all scenarios, still improving over the life of the draft
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:25 PM   #73
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:29 PM   #74
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Luka Doncic is a great pick.

He's already Euroleague MVP. He'll be ROY this season and will win NBA MVP by season 3.

He's got "it".
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:33 PM   #75
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We really skipping people now?

I have the next pick if TQA doesn't eventually show up.
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