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10-24-2017 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Giroudgeous
Guessing someone chose no own goals?
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Originally Posted by TheGramuel
Ah-ha!

That makes sense.
If, hypothetically speaking, that did happen, I might have been so surprised (& confused because the entry didn't originally have the correct # of answers), that it made me redo the away points question which I assumed it must have been referring to (I lowered the # of required points from 8 to 5 - which I think is good because even though most people got it right, at least there were a couple viable answers beyond the obvious SHEEP).

There were 25 own goals last season.
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10-24-2017 , 01:21 PM
For a good balance of this game what would be a good ratio of correct/incorrect answers per question?

It seems like most people get it right, around 3/1 or 4/1, isn't that a lot? Also it could just be that the popular answers happened to be right so far but I think I'd enjoy more a version of this game where getting a correct answer is even more difficult

Awesome reveals btw
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10-24-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
For a good balance of this game what would be a good ratio of correct/incorrect answers per question?

It seems like most people get it right, around 3/1 or 4/1, isn't that a lot? Also it could just be that the popular answers happened to be right so far but I think I'd enjoy more a version of this game where getting a correct answer is even more difficult
This whole explanation is way tl;dr, so I'm spoiling it...

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I don't think it's the # of corrects vs. incorrects that matters per se...it's the fairness of the question & the risk/reward of not going with an obvious choice.

For example, if I made the road points needed 8, & everyone answered the same way (which is unlikely because everyone would have gone even more chalk), there would have been 39 corrects & 13 incorrects. Scores would have ranged from 7 for the best correct answer (Chelsea) to 17 for an incorrect answer (13 for SHEEP + 4 correct answers given), & I think that would be pretty lame & cause the entire question to be mostly useless.

The lower threshold makes Plop & Leicester correct, & rewards the people who went out on a limb by giving them 2 points, & also punishes the incorrects a bit more by creating more distance between them & the SHEEP. The spread of 2 to 19 I think is much more interesting. So 43 right 9 wrong sounds bad, but I think the actual spread within corrects still makes it good, & it's much better than if I had gone with a higher limit which would have led to a boring, & fairly meaningless reveal.

Player questions I think it's better to have a more even split between correct & incorrect answers. This next question I think less than half the field will be correct, so we'll see how it ends up looking & how it works out.

Here is the distribution on the questions already revealed:

#1 - Name a team that will lose their opening game (most games August 12th). 32 right, 20 wrong. Low score 2, sheep score 8, incorrects 14. I think that's pretty good.

#2 - Name a team that will be undefeated at the end of Week 2 (August 20th). 32 right, 20 wrong. Low score 1, sheep score 9, incorrects 15. Also good I think.

#3 - Name a team that will have 3 or less points by the end of Week 3 (August 27th). 13 right, 39 wrong. Low score 1, sheep score 5, incorrects 9 or 15. This one was weird because 15 people said Burnley & it was wrong. If they were right it would be 28, 24 with 1, 15, 20, & that would be an even distribution. Got to invoke the weird rule I made up to punish people who pick huge incorrect sheeps. I think overall this was ok, though.

#4 - Name a player who will have 2 or more goals by the end of Week 5 (September 17th). 32 right, 20 wrong. Low score 1, sheep 8, incorrects 17. Back to 32-20 again. Not bad I don't think.

#5 - Name a goalkeeper who will have 2 or more clean sheets by the end of Week 7 (October 1st). 44 right, 8 wrong. Low score 1, sheep 9, incorrects 19. I tried to project the approximate # of clean sheets based on full season work, but I was obviously a bit off. If asking the question again next year, would have to either move it up, make the requirement 3, or move it back & make it more. The breakdown is still ok & leveling wars can be interesting, but agree that it should be harder.

#6 - Name a team that will have 5 or more road points by the end of Week 9 (October 22nd). 43 right, 9 wrong. Low score 2, sheep 13, incorrects 19. Ideally there would be less correct answers, but there's a bigger spread between Liverpool/Leicester pickers (& if anyone had said Burnley/Watford/Swansea) & City pickers than there are between City pickers & the wrong answers, so I think that's fine, even if too heavily correct.


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Awesome reveals btw
Thx
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10-24-2017 , 03:39 PM
im winning!!
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10-24-2017 , 03:41 PM
More useless info for Question 7...breakdown of how many different people were picked from each team:

 Team# of Players
1Manchester United4
1Arsenal4
3Leicester City3
4Chelsea2
4Burnley2
4Southampton2
4West Ham2
4Everton2
4Spurs2
10Bournemouth1
10Crystal Palace1
10Liverpool1
10RB Leipzig1
14Brighton0
14Huddersfield0
14Manchester City0
14Newcastle0
14Stoke0
14Swansea0
14Watford0
14WBA0
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10-24-2017 , 03:50 PM
I think a reasonable aim when constructing a question could be Sheep - low ~= incorrect - Sheep. So it probably depends on the expected number of participants, among other things.

However, this a 30-question competition, so they are not one-offs. Over 30 questions you want some with lots of possible corrects, and some with few. The obvious strat would be to go with chalk answers where there can be many corrects, and go with unlikelier answers where only few corrects are possible, cause penalty for being incorrect is that much smaller. But game theory probably would suggest that over many runs, the distribution of answers would eventually converge for the two types of questions (dunno if this is really true, just seems that way). I think JM's collection of questions is really good, with a decent mix of both types.

Just for ****s and giggles, I propose next time (if there's next time) there will be a question "name a premier league team". On its own, it's clearly stupid with (hopefully) no incorrects, but in the context of 30 questions and many participants, it can add some pure leveling fun.
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10-24-2017 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JMurder3
If, hypothetically speaking, that did happen, I might have been so surprised (& confused because the entry didn't originally have the correct # of answers), that it made me redo the away points question which I assumed it must have been referring to (I lowered the # of required points from 8 to 5 - which I think is good because even though most people got it right, at least there were a couple viable answers beyond the obvious SHEEP).

There were 25 own goals last season.
OG outscored by Kane.
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10-24-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
OG outscored by Kane.
So you're saying if the question next year is "name a team that allows a goal to Kane", "none" would be an even worse answer?
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10-24-2017 , 05:58 PM
Allowing a goal sounds like match-fixing
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10-25-2017 , 08:47 PM
I think the optimum right/wrong distribution is 50-75% correct. That's what I shoot for in MLB PEEHS.

That way there's a penalty for being incorrect, and some variability among the correct answers that take risks to get there

When 25% of the field or less gets the question right, then there's hardly any score difference between the SHEEP and incorrects, so the hardest questions make the least difference in the score
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10-25-2017 , 08:55 PM
In MLB PEEHS the question was name a home run derby participant, 18 people took Giancarlo Stanton, 1 person took Miguel Sano, and everyone else got it wrong.

So one person got a 1-point ace, the SHEEP got 18, and the incorrects got 20 for a very weird question
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10-26-2017 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
I think the optimum right/wrong distribution is 50-75% correct. That's what I shoot for in MLB PEEHS.

That way there's a penalty for being incorrect, and some variability among the correct answers that take risks to get there

When 25% of the field or less gets the question right, then there's hardly any score difference between the SHEEP and incorrects, so the hardest questions make the least difference in the score
I solved MLB PEEHS in my first season so happy to book some advising session with those who are less skilled
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10-26-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
In MLB PEEHS the question was name a home run derby participant, 18 people took Giancarlo Stanton, 1 person took Miguel Sano, and everyone else got it wrong.

So one person got a 1-point ace, the SHEEP got 18, and the incorrects got 20 for a very weird question
Yeah...I always had the Stanton question in my head when formulating these regarding things I wanted to avoid haha.
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10-30-2017 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JMurder3
That's all for Question 6. Question 7 should reveal on Monday, November 6th.

The question is:

#7 - Name a player with at least 20 interceptions by the end of Week 11 (November 5th).

Here's a breakdown of interceptions so far:
20+ = 7 players
18-19 = 8 players
16-17 = 8 players
15 = 8 players
14 = 10 players

So lots of people with a chance to make it happen.
Updated breakdown with 1 game to play:

20+ = 9 players
18-19 = 12 players
16-17 = 12 players

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Originally Posted by JMurder3
Perfect Game Watch:

The 7 players with perfect games picked 7 different players. Of those 7 players, these are the total # of interceptions they have:

26
17
16
14
10
10
4

So there could be some carnage at the top...
Not a lot of change in the perfect game watch...

27
18
16
14
13
10
4

Could easily be down to 1 perfect game after this question, & it's unlikely there will be more than 2.
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10-31-2017 , 11:21 AM
GG perfect game. Was fun.
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10-31-2017 , 12:39 PM
Yeah my interceptions guy has been out basically all season, I suspect a pretty common answer too.
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10-31-2017 , 01:29 PM
I have no idea what interceptions are in football or who is good at them so went for the LOL choice
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10-31-2017 , 01:41 PM
Its just when someone cuts out a pass.
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11-01-2017 , 12:20 PM
Here's last season's top 20 in Interceptions for reference...

RankPlayerClubNationalityStat*
1Curtis Davies-*England92
2Laurent KoscielnyArsenal*France90
3Oriol RomeuSouthampton*Spain89
4Nacho MonrealArsenal*Spain88
5Nicolás OtamendiManchester City*Argentina84
6N'Golo KantéChelsea*France82
6Winston ReidWest Ham United*New Zealand82
8Idrissa GueyeEverton*Senegal81
8Ander HerreraManchester United*Spain81
10Cheikhou KouyatéWest Ham United*Senegal79
11Steve CookAFC Bournemouth*England76
12Jonny EvansWest Bromwich Albion*Northern Ireland74
12Stephen WardBurnley*Ireland74
14Yohan Cabaye-*France72
14Ben MeeBurnley*England72
16César AzpilicuetaChelsea*Spain71
16Christian FuchsLeicester City*Austria71
16Gareth McAuleyWest Bromwich Albion*Northern Ireland71
19José FonteWest Ham United*Portugal70
20Danny SimpsonLeicester City*England68
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11-01-2017 , 12:49 PM
My error was in assuming that a defender would be best to pick from...
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11-01-2017 , 11:11 PM
cabaye was high last year and is shockingly high this year given limited playing time. very baffling to me. i obviously didn't research this Q enough. kosc, monreal, or any random dude on burnley were obvious choices.
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11-05-2017 , 04:23 PM
Didn't research either. I think mine might be an ace mainly because I'm not sure it was a great choice apart from being correct.
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11-05-2017 , 05:31 PM
Reveal should probably be tomorrow around 5 or 6 pm GMT.
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11-05-2017 , 07:42 PM
hot
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11-06-2017 , 12:20 PM
#7 - Name a player with at least 20 interceptions by the end of Week 11 (November 5th).

19 players ended up being correct answers for this question. We'll see how many of those were chosen as we go along.

I haven't prepped this reveal yet, so will probably start around the appointed time.
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