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06-09-2016 , 12:36 AM

#476

Roger Clemens

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So how much does tournament A get weighed over tournaments B,C,D? How about Australian pre 1990, when few top players competed? Arbitrarily weighing tournaments opens a can of worms and makes the ratings purely subjective.

Peak Elo is not a career measure.

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06-09-2016 , 08:05 AM

#477

DTD

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Not followed the debate, but surely not weighting = weighting with every event having the same weighting, which is just as abritrary if the results are supposed to be in any way credible as a judge of a player.

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06-09-2016 , 10:38 AM

#478

Roger Clemens

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The data is out there. I provided the Elo parameters. You have full opportunity to assign whatever weightings you want and propose that your method/result is better than standard Elo.

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06-09-2016 , 02:01 PM

#479

DTD

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I don't care enough to want to do that, but if someone does have a reasonable stab at it then I'm pretty sure I'd regard it as superior. Even the extra length of slam matches should add credibility (though I say that from a position of great ignorance as I don't know whether this measure does do that somehow by considering sets won etc).

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06-09-2016 , 07:06 PM

#480

Roger Clemens

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My Elo is based on sets won. Other than that it is identical to 538 Elo, which also did not overweight selected tournaments.

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06-09-2016 , 08:28 PM

#481

pwnsall

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Could elo benefit people playing other peak players who are still very highly rated but on the downward spiral?

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06-09-2016 , 11:25 PM

#482

iversonian

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Djokovic has got to be the most boring GOAT of any sport if he really is the GOAT. Do you Djokovic fans also sweat Dan Harrington at the WSOP? "It's so sick how much patience he has. This guy plays soooo optimally."

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06-09-2016 , 11:48 PM

#483

Roger Clemens

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

Could elo benefit people playing other peak players who are still very highly rated but on the downward spiral?

Elo does not use historical ratings only current rating. So I guess the simple answer is no.

Elo is supposed to fairly rate players after result of an event. If it systemically overrates losing players then there might be some benefit to beating downtrending players.

Last edited by Roger Clemens; 06-09-2016 at 11:54 PM.

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06-10-2016 , 04:15 AM

#484

Cinarocket

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Originally Posted by iversonian

what kind of bizarre hot take is this

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06-10-2016 , 09:08 AM

#485

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Originally Posted by Chrizza

ELO is nice and all, but no one in his right mind would put Clerc in his top 10 when asked ''Who are the ten best clay courters of all-time?''

Things like Djokovic at #3 while Federer is at #11 (although it's closer now of course) and Ferrer ranked above Kuerten look ridiculous as well.

lol @ suggesting roger over VAK on clay