yeah... I saw that live

Hawai'i is the scourge of college football





BTW--hearing alot on Fayson transferring to W Virginia or Illinois

Oh yea, MT2R, it totally slipped my mind. Fayson to Illinois is nearly done. I would of mentioned it earlier to you.

Jon Demps & Jermaine Cunningham were arrested last night for misdameanor battery for apparently throwing food at a cashier. WTF on both fronts.

Demps is on his way off the team if the charge holds. Trattou would replace JC for the bowl game if he is suspended, but he has been awesome.

yes!

He said Tebow was as much a system QB as anyone, and noted Urban Meyer's previous QB Alex Smith and his NFL play as an example.

He also pointed out that ESPN has been calling Tebow's 51 total touchdowns a record, when Brennan had 63 last year.

Typical Urban Meyer players.

Oh yes. Fulmer's are angels.

true, but at least they are not portrayed to be angelic like the Urban Meyer holier-than-thou crusade that the media subjects to everyone

eh, I'll admit, UF has a few thugs. Our players love the green, thats for sure. (and i'm not talking about money). I really hate hate hate june jones...every QB is a system QB. ******ed ass statment that he had.

sucks about fayson, i was angry when i first read about that a few days ago. really sucks, i think he had some potential.

www.espn.com

1) click link
2) look to the right of the webpage and find the video player
3) click on NCAAF
4) click on the "Carville ragin about BCS" link

Absolutely <3 the Big10 hate. He's actually right about a lot of stuff too. Dana Jacobsen is a Michigan alum if you didnt know

Most coaches shouldn't be singled out minus say Bobby Bowden, usually coaches can't control all of this: they're college kids.

I really don't know what angelic likeness of UM you're talking about.

agreed.... most coaches cannot control the stuff

saw that

Carville just shows he's an idiot again

LOL at Grobe turning down Arkansas

Gus Malzahn FTW

Coaches can't control the character of players they recruit? Obviously no coach can prevent his team from having any off-the-field issues, but if you recruit with no regard to character then you will have more issues than if you turn down high-risk kids. Willie Williams anyone?

Obviously it's very tough to be 100% about a recruit's character when he gets to college while trying to get the very best players. Most of the time it's players who never had problems off the field prior to college and then get caught up in it all.

Willie Williams was a mistake but one of the few obvious ones. It's not like they could afford to not allow him to sign.

Look at Tuberville's tenure. Incidents are very rare and when they happen they get a strict punishment. Tray Blackmon missed the first 6 games of his freshman year because of an off-the-field incident with alcohol. Not much was made of the incident itself and he would have gotten off with a one or two game suspension at most schools, but not under Tubs. Kids know when they go to Auburn that stuff doesn't go over. It still will occasionally happen, but it's rare. You build a culture where it's not tolerated, you recruit accordingly, etc. Stuff still happens occasionally, but you would just never see a string of arrests like you did at Texas. I don't think you can just shrug your shoulders and say "kids..."

Meanwhile, the Auburn basketball team (ugh) has guys arrested, suspended, doing drugs, etc. all the time. A big factor of course is that Auburn football can pick and choose a lot better than Auburn hoops. (It's not like Jeff Lebo could turn down a 4 star recruit if he chose to.) I laugh all the time when Dickie V (gag) preaches about how Coach K always has good kids at Duke. When you have your choice of 5 star recruits, it's easy to pick the low-risk character guys. But still, there is truth in that... you won't see 4 separate arrests this year from Duke players. JJ Redick getting a DWI is about all the drama you'll find there.

I hate to sound like TMQ, but that's exactly the problem with programs like Florida. What does "they [can't] afford to not allow him to sign" mean? They'd rather sign an athlete with huge personal problems than let a competing program sign him? Once you take that attitude, where's the line? Would Florida take a kid that was a convicted drug dealer?

Most big programs are exactly the same, so I'm not singling out UF. If anything, I'd single out USC, since Spurrier doesn't care if his recruits can even read, much less graduate from a university. But it's a fact that the directors of these programs don't care about anything other than winning, and the NCAA should really make up it's mind: whether it exists to educate kids, in which case it should enforce much stricter graduation rates, attendance standards, admission rates - hell, a million different things it currently willfully ignores - or if it exists to make money, in which case it should pay its employees and stop giving them degrees.

Has any team had a more brutal conference sechedule than Vandy did this year?

Alabama
Ole Miss (yay!)
Auburn
Georgia
South Carolina
Florida
Kentucky
Tennessee



I would also like to mention Jerry DiNardo as a "don't give a **** about character" coach.
In the short time he was Vanderbilt's coach, they started to have some off the field issues with players (legal stuff only, since DiNardo wasn't allowed to recruit semi-literates). When he went to LSU, they started having major issues with everything.

I see what you're saying, but when the pressure is on to win, you push the limit. BTW, Willie Williams went to Miami, not UF & he wasn't a horrible kid prior to, just a lot of silly antics during the recruiting process. If he would have turned out OK, people would have been praising Miami for getting him.

Florida does a good job, sure we have had problems under Meyer but we do a good job. We have the highest graduation rate of any bowl team that isn't a military academy. We do a lot of things right, I worked for the UAA on compliance/academics so I would tell you if we weren't trying hard at it.

TFG- Yeah, I know WW was a Miami commit. And I wasn't knocking the Gators. Just pointing out that coaches can have a big effect on how many times their program is mentioned in the police blotter.

BigPoppa- Vandy missed LSU, Arkansas, and MSU on the schedule this year. Doesn't seem any tougher than the average SEC schedule, in fact it seems a little below average.

LDO, all the other SEC East teams got to play Vanderbilt...........

Funny, I didn't think of that. But you have to go with Ole Miss with that rationale.

Why don't you update yourself on the Fulmer Cup points accumulated by both programs since Meyer arrived at Florida?

lol, I honestly don't know.