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08-11-2012 , 10:39 PM
Why are they running hot? KD is an amazing shooter. Rest of the world D isn't that amazing.
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08-11-2012 , 11:12 PM
You seriously want to argue that KD is a 56% shooter from that range over the long run??!?!? Even if we say the D on him isnt awesome, he isn't shooting 56% long term

People extrapolate way too much from these 10 game sample sizes
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08-11-2012 , 11:26 PM
When you are not defended well a ton of these guys shoot at amazing rates. What is your proof here?
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08-11-2012 , 11:27 PM
even if 56% for KD is a bit high, i dont think 44% for the team is off at all
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08-11-2012 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
You seriously want to argue that KD is a 56% shooter from that range over the long run??!?!? Even if we say the D on him isnt awesome, he isn't shooting 56% long term

People extrapolate way too much from these 10 game sample sizes
He could probably hit 75%+ unguarded. If he's got NBA quality defense on him he's ~45% from that range. Shooting 56% vs the light defensive pressure he's facing in the Olympics seems about normal.

There's guys here in Vegas who will do prop bets they can hit 75%+ on NBA 3 pointers and they will win easily if you bet against them. Hitting unguarded or relatively unguarded 3 point shots is not difficult for a guy of KD's caliber.
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08-11-2012 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
When you are not defended well a ton of these guys shoot at amazing rates. What is your proof here?
This x1 million.
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08-11-2012 , 11:37 PM
Unguarded is different from guarded in a game, even if you want to argue that the "much stronger than 92" international teams have weak defense
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08-11-2012 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Palo
There's guys here in Vegas who will do prop bets they can hit 75%+ on NBA 3 pointers and they will win easily if you bet against them. Hitting unguarded or relatively unguarded 3 point shots is not difficult for a guy of KD's caliber.
I'd bet on KD at 85%. I think it was that show Pros vs Joes, Brent Barry was saying that in the gym NBA sharpshooters are hitting 9/10 or something. I mean, think about it... unguarded, no pressure, just chillin. it's like us shooting free throws, only much better.
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08-12-2012 , 01:25 AM
Remember the H.O.R.S.E. challenge between Rondo and Durant? The tiebreaker was to shoot 3pters from the top of the arc until one of them missed. Even a bad shooter like Rondo was draining them with ease, but Durant obviously outlasted him.
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08-12-2012 , 01:28 AM
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08-12-2012 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by five4suited
I'd bet on KD at 85%. I think it was that show Pros vs Joes, Brent Barry was saying that in the gym NBA sharpshooters are hitting 9/10 or something. I mean, think about it... unguarded, no pressure, just chillin. it's like us shooting free throws, only much better.
ffs even Stevenson has a youtube clip hitting 80+ on 100 attempts, and it's not like he's taking his time either
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08-12-2012 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
Is this the HORSE competition you're talking about? Rondo made 2 and missed one...

Also, I seriously doubt Rondo is a "bad" 3 point shooter unguarded. It's a lot harder for a 6'1" point guard to get good shots off in game than a wing player who is 8+ inches taller.

Last edited by Matt R.; 08-12-2012 at 08:16 AM.
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08-12-2012 , 08:42 AM
Not sure why there are half a dozen posts talking about non-game, unguarded three point shooting...we all agree that you can go to the local Y and find someone who can hit 75% unguarded...but that's still much different from in-game shooting %

KD shot only .400 efg (so even worse fg%) on jumpers last season yet he should be considered a .560 fg% (.840 efg) from 3 in Olympics
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08-12-2012 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt R.
Is this the HORSE competition you're talking about? Rondo made 2 and missed one...
I guess counting isn't your forte, since he made 3/4 in that video. But anyway, it wasn't the whole thing.



This is the whole thing, it's pretty boring to watch. Now I could be as bad at counting as you are, but from my count, I think Rondo goes 10/13 and Durant 11/12.

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Also, I seriously doubt Rondo is a "bad" 3 point shooter unguarded. It's a lot harder for a 6'1" point guard to get good shots off in game than a wing player who is 8+ inches taller.
Rondo isn't a bad shooter because of his height, he's a bad shooter because he doesn't shoot well. He shot 59% from the FT line last year and it's pretty easy to get those shots off.
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08-12-2012 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
Not sure why there are half a dozen posts talking about non-game, unguarded three point shooting...we all agree that you can go to the local Y and find someone who can hit 75% unguarded...but that's still much different from in-game shooting %

KD shot only .400 efg (so even worse fg%) on jumpers last season yet he should be considered a .560 fg% (.840 efg) from 3 in Olympics
Not sure where you got those numbers, but HoopData has Durant at 58.1 eFG% from 3 last season. Now add to that the fact that the 3pt line is shorter, the defenses are worse, and he's getting wide open shots created by Labron ****ing James, and it's not hard to see why he would shoot that well.
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08-12-2012 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
I guess counting isn't your forte, since he made 3/4 in that video. But anyway, it wasn't the whole thing.
I just watched it again and he made 2 shots out of 3. Are you adding together the shots for both Rondo and Durant or something...? Jesus Christ how dumb are you?
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08-12-2012 , 09:08 AM
Oh, I see the problem, you started with the claim of Rondo "hitting them with ease" then post a video where he makes 2 out of 3 unguarded. OMG HE MADE 2 AND MISSED ONE LOOK HOW GOOD HE IS.

Then you realized that was kind of stupid since 2 out of 3 unguarded 3's isn't exactly draining 3 pointers, so you got all mad and snarky and made a snide remark about me not counting right or something because the first shot Rondo presumably took (I guess? the video cuts in with the ball like 2 inches from the basket) goes in. It's funny how butthurt you pro-2012 droolers get when your stupid arguments are shown to be... well, stupid. Don't worry, I'm sure you will get a post right one of these days.

Also, why is Rondo a 77% 3 point shooter unguarded but a 59% shooter unguarded from the FT line? What the heck do you think this shows exactly?

Last edited by Matt R.; 08-12-2012 at 09:16 AM.
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08-12-2012 , 09:08 AM
he makes 3 of 4. you guys will argue about anything.
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08-12-2012 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
Not sure why there are half a dozen posts talking about non-game, unguarded three point shooting...we all agree that you can go to the local Y and find someone who can hit 75% unguarded...but that's still much different from in-game shooting %

KD shot only .400 efg (so even worse fg%) on jumpers last season yet he should be considered a .560 fg% (.840 efg) from 3 in Olympics
when a big part of your shots come completely unguarded (not only because defenses are generally worse but because your team is so ****ing good) it's relevant to talk about those percentages. So yeah, 56% from the fiba line seems perfectly reasonable for KD in this context
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08-12-2012 , 09:25 AM
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he makes 3 of 4. you guys will argue about anything.
Holy crap! Rondo hit 3 of 4 unguarded 3's! This definitely proves that Durant is 56% from the FIBA 3 point line in-game. What were we thinking?

Also, stupid things were said about counting ability or some such when the video cut in with the ball from the first shot a millisecond from the basket. Yes, if you start counting before you see Rondo take his first shot he takes 4. But of course, it makes the pro-2012 side feel all warm and fuzzy when they think this implies more than I just actually started counting when I saw Rondo take his first shot.
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08-12-2012 , 09:29 AM
i'm just saying he hit 3 of 4. you guys are yelling at each other about how stupid the other person is and how they can't count. is it really worth it?
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08-12-2012 , 09:35 AM
And I'm also saying he hit 3 of 4, if you start counting before you see Rondo actually take his first shot in the video. You may want to consider who made the first snarky reply in this exchange here.

Also, this has turned more into a social commentary about how butthurt one side can get on the intertubes when they've been shown to be wrong at every turn for 1,600 p0sts. I do find it fascinating. The butthurt.
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08-12-2012 , 09:45 AM
nuke it imo
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08-12-2012 , 10:01 AM
From orbit
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08-12-2012 , 10:13 AM
Hang on, hang on wait a minute... I don't believe you guys have considered Karl Malone yet. There is more discussion to be had here.
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