1992 USA Dream Team vs. 2012 USA Men's Bball Team - Page 50 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

For reference, this is the Nigerian team that the '12s slaughter-housed yesterday

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Did '92 team face a single team with comparable talent to Nigerian '12?

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08-03-2012 , 10:57 PM

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Nope. But if it makes you feel better to think that, knock yourself out.

Could say the same thing about every post you have on here.

You are the typical causal fan. A true "Prisoner of the Moment". Because you saw the 2012 team play yesterday and win by 83, they are the best ever.

Can't be anymore causal than that.

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08-03-2012 , 11:01 PM

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Can't be anymore causal than that.

By all means, explain why Manu is better than Chris Paul.

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08-03-2012 , 11:01 PM

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Was the Croatia team that won the silver in '92 much better than '12 Nigeria in terms of major college/NBA talent?

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08-03-2012 , 11:04 PM

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I find it hard to believe that Nigeria's depth could be that much better to make up for the fact that Kukoc and Petrovic would easily be the two best players on the floor

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08-03-2012 , 11:05 PM

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look, no one is disputing (well a couple dumb ppl are) that the dream teamers are of similar athleticism than the 2012ers. its the athleticism (and skills) of their respective competition that has increased.

vic, its gone beyond just a couple. The last 500 or so post have been strictly about the athleticism aspect.

All, who was better, the 92 duke team, or the 2012 kentucky team?

Last edited by VincentVega; 08-03-2012 at 11:08 PM. Reason: athleticism and general basketball skill, sorry. also 2014 kentucky. i dont care.

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08-03-2012 , 11:06 PM

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You are the typical causal fan. A true "Prisoner of the Moment". Because you saw the 2012 team play yesterday and win by 83, they are the best ever.

Can't be anymore causal than that.

Oh, and regarding this, here's a post by me earlier in this thread

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Athletes obviously get bigger/faster/stronger over time, and get better at their sport as more information becomes available wrt resources/training/strategy. (and as the amount of $ athletes stand to make from playing said sport increases)

I do think it gets overstated sometimes though. The time gap between the 1992 team and the 2012 isn't that big, and you actually have some overlap between the different generations. It's not like we're comparing the 1952 NBA all star team to the 2012 team, where it was a completely different game. At the end of his career, Jordan actually played with KG/Kobe/AI/Duncan. At 40 years old, he dropped 43 points against a Jason Kidd led Nets team, only 8 months before some guy named Labron James played his first game.

I think there's a good chance the 2012 team could beat the 1992 team. But I think it's closer than people think, in part because the 2012 team is missing a few of its best players, and in part because I think the 1992 team would be better than people are giving them credit for.

What were you saying now? You wanna keep beating up that strawman?

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08-03-2012 , 11:08 PM

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vic, its gone beyond just a couple. The last 500 or so post have been strictly about the athleticism aspect.

All, who was better, the 92 duke team, or the 2012 kentucky team?

2012 by a mile

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08-03-2012 , 11:10 PM

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Was the Croatia team that won the silver in '92 much better than '12 Nigeria in terms of major college/NBA talent?

The teams aren't even comparable. The Croatian team was much better.

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I find it hard to believe that Nigeria's depth could be that much better to make up for the fact that Kukoc and Petrovic would easily be the two best players on the floor

Don't forget Radja. The Nigerian team has no one even close to those three.

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08-03-2012 , 11:11 PM

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Oh, I don't know, maybe the seasoned USSR squad (later Lithuania) that was led by future NBA players Arvydas Sabonis and Sarunas Marciulionis. And was the reason the NBA took over for the college kids in the 1st place.

Or perhaps the Croatian team lead by Toni Kukoc, Dino Radja, and Drazen Petrovic.

The 2012 team isn't beating either of these teams by 83.

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08-03-2012 , 11:16 PM

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By all means, explain why Manu is better than Chris Paul.

Since you keep refering to this, Feel free to explain why Paul is better the Manu?

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08-03-2012 , 11:21 PM

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These Karl Malone arguments are terrible. So yes, he aged well. What does that prove. Karl aged better than just about anyone in NBA history--he is a huge outlier--I'm pretty sure he is only player all time with a PER over 25 after 36 that played significant minutes. Basically it proves how good Karl aged and how good he was....and not really much else.

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08-03-2012 , 11:22 PM

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2012 by a mile

lol. Ya Karl Malone would be terrible today too. Theres literally only 3 players in todays game that could challenge him in the post. D12, struggle to guard the money 17 footer. Bynum, same. Chandler. But ok, im sure kendrik perkins would be a straight shutdown post defender on malone too.

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08-03-2012 , 11:22 PM

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I think there's a good chance the 2012 team could beat the 1992 team. But I think it's closer than people think, in part because the 2012 team is missing a few of its best players, and in part because I think the 1992 team would be better than people are giving them credit for.

What were you saying now? You wanna keep beating up that strawman?

So which side are you picking again? 92 or 12? Can't really tell by that paragraph of mumbo jumbo.
Maybe you think the game will be a tie.

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08-03-2012 , 11:23 PM

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The issue with Manu is, in his prime he was great, he is still pretty damn good now but old and injury prone.

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08-03-2012 , 11:23 PM

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absolutely, aging well has nothing to do with competition. Right.

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08-03-2012 , 11:25 PM

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for a poker forum, it is absolutely sad how little everybody in SE is at recognizing recency bias and short term variance.

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08-03-2012 , 11:32 PM

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3 out of 4 of those are true

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08-03-2012 , 11:33 PM

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absolutely, aging well has nothing to do with competition. Right.

so we are saying b/c karl owned it at an older age, competition must be significantly worse. and the only reason he could have possibly have owned so late in his career is b/c competition dropped. why can't he just be better trained than most. are we going to use the same thing in the NFL b/c Jerry Rice was capable of playing so late in his career, thus competition has gotten worse at the end of his career. some guys just age better--competition doesn't play as big of a role as you are making it out to be.

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08-03-2012 , 11:33 PM

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08-03-2012 , 11:36 PM

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The issue with Manu is, in his prime he was great, he is still pretty damn good now but old and injury prone.

Yes Chris Paul is a pillar of health.

He has never played in all 82 games......played in only 64 games in 2006, and only 45 in 2010.

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08-03-2012 , 11:36 PM

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for a poker forum, it is absolutely sad how little everybody in SE is at recognizing recency bias and short term variance.

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3 out of 4 of those are true

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08-03-2012 , 11:37 PM

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no. Im arguing that a guy that good his late in his career would more than likely own the 12 team too. Mostly, that the 92 team had a greater amount of outlier elite players than the 12 team. Malone, Jordan, Magic, DRob, will go down has better players than all the players except bron on the 12 team. Thats why i believe they would be favorites.

20 years is not that long in advancement for a game like basketball that has been around as long as its been, these guys would absolutely dominate the game today.

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08-03-2012 , 11:44 PM

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh yes, the arguement is over because the 2012 team beat up an undermanned team from Africa.
When they beat Ginobli and Argentina, or the Gasols and Spain by 83, then the arguement is over.

How about if they just beat them like the 92 did Croatia? Considering these teams you are talking about are much, much better than that Croatia team was.

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08-03-2012 , 11:48 PM

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Right, the issue for me isnt so much "how many standard deviations better was 92 vs. 2012" because there is a ton of variance when talking about these tiny samples of super-elite players

But that is far less true for the competition. And Nigeria is legitimately better than almost any team the DT faced.

So the question is: if DT>>>2012 team, then why did they play so many close games? Shouldnt they have been winning by a LOT more, even if they werent really trying?

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