Hard for anyone to argue at this point that the 2012 is superior (or even equal) to the 1992 team. All those who were in that camp have either dissapeared or are reduced to saying stuff like "yeah ok but you're still terrible posters".

Every once in a while, people have the grace to admit it when they were wrong. Doesn't happen often ITF though.

This is the internet, have you ever seen someone take a hardline stance one way and then actually later be convinced of something else and change their mind?

I have, but not often.

Well, you've only been here since July. :-)

I've been here for about 7 years, when 2+2 went down a while back I had trouble logging in so I just created a new username for myself.

But you're right, no reason to expect anyone in the 2012 camp to admit they were way off no matter how obvious it is now.

No reason for you to admit who you are, either, I guess.

92ers obviously have a better argument after today, point most are making is that 92ers have argued really, really poorly. Because they have.

some of us in the 92 crew said that the DT would do exactly what Spain did today. I watched the whole game, and if you don't think Ewing/Robinson/Malone/Barkley would have eviscerated the 12ers, given what Gasol x 2 and Ibaka did, I don't know what to tell you. I know you 12ers envision a deluge of 3s crashing down on the DT, but ****ing come on already.


as for european basketball, it's absolutely impressive. simmons named like 40 guys in his column the other day (assuming they all can play) and I had no idea who more than half of them were. in 92 if you were a real fan (I was back then), you could name almost every single foreign player in the league. you TZers can do that now, but I'm not sure you're all human.

if 12>DT and 12>Spain by 7, does Spain 12 ~= DT?

my theory is that casualfans (and some serious ones, too) think that the disappearance of post play is a good thing since they can self-identify with the outside, pick n roll game. it's the game everybody plays in the gym with their friends.

the League? definitely more talented now, top to bottom. better? Idk.

should be interesting next year though, we're gonna find out whether a team that relies primarily on the inside game can still win a title in this era of sharpshooting super-athletes.

Admit? Interesting choice of words. Am I being accused of something?

As usual ITF, some make their points better than others. The whole "arguing poorly" story is just ridiculous though. It sounds like a grade school kid who lost an argument and says "yeah well you're still ******ed".

At least you admit that todays events help the 92ers case, gotta give you some credit for that. These people in denial saying stuff like european bball is much better today, what if todays game was replayed 20 times over then what would happen then etc. are just lame.

How many people were adamently for 2012? Like 2 or 3 in the thread? And many of them were just trolling.

The best post players from 2012 from the USA, were not on the team. I'm not saying they are better than the 1992 team but they are significantly better than what we sent (Dwight and Bynum). The biggest issue the current NBA has and the reason for the lack of big men are there are not many great big men that come out and 2 of the top 5 that should be playing now are either retired or other injury issues in (Yao + Oden). Imagine if we had prime Yao or even non prime Yao, Dwight, Bynum and the Oden we thought we would have, and Chandler/Gasol. That would be a pretty good 5 core--but now we are missing 2 of the top 4 centers.

If players could regularly hit 90% from three unguarded in a gym, wouldn't the average in the NBA 3 point contest hover around 27?

I think you're being accused of being a bad poster on your last account.

They have to take 25 shots in less than 60 seconds and not in the same location

Making open shots is REALLY easy ffs

The 92 Dream Team would destroy the 2012 team. How would Jordan even be stopped?

Not exactly. First of all there is a ton more pressure. Second of all their are time limits that don't exist at a gym. I think 90% is high, but I wouldn't be suprised if the best shooters were given a ton of time to setup from their favorite spots that they could hit a ridiculous %.

You're going to compare shooting 30 shots in an arena while picking up your own ball to shooting alone in a gym with someone feeding you?

#smh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3EJhGcwFU8

in the 3 games that mattered since 2008
Spain 107 - USA 118
Spain 85 - USA 86
Spain 100 - USA 107

USA being 7 points better than Spain seems reasonable.

For example, Carmelo Anthony vs Nigeria lol.

Once the line has been set at 20, the impressive stuff has already been done. Winning by 7 is just bad variance, right?

Otherwise I dont understand your point. If they were favored by 60 and only won by 30, would that ALSO demonstrate they arent impressive?

This was my first post ITT about a month ago and todays game again confirmed this. On paper, Spain has no chance whatsoever against USA but they were right in it for a very long time. And it wasn't because they had some fluky performance where their FG% was way above expectation or whatever. It was because they played like a team and the USA played like a group of individuals.

We have seen this (USA underachieving) happen over and over again over the years. When they're hot, they can crush anyone. When they're not, then they're capable af losing to much less talented teams. So much talent though, I must admit I am surprised that they can't come up with a gameplan to win consistently and convincingly like I believe they should.

grunching...

Who the **** cares?

if guys are much better than their FT numbers and 3 pt shootout numbers, what are you guys basing that 90% number on?

outside of brent barry's word, of course

Considering he already said he doesn't know what name I posted under that would be pretty dumb on his part.



I think he's just butthurt cause I called him condescending.

This is one of the worst Pro-DT arguments

I once saw Michael Jordan lose a game. True story.

edit: nm wouldnt have bothered mocking this post if I had seen your 3pt% post first, lolwow thats bad

Look at his stats during the 1992 Olympics:



Now imagine Lebron James is guarding him instead of some Angolese who had never heard of basketball 2 weeks before the tournament.

There you go.