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Were you 4?

Pippen was one of the most selfless studs in NBA history.

Nah, it's the opposite. '92 has a lot of guys that can create mediocre shots at will, but 2012 has guys that are way better off the dribble since they can shoot from outside. That's the point I've been making for 7 pages.

lol

8 actually. I was real into the Knicks that year though. Almost cried when Starks shot away the Finals.

how is it i get flamed for trolling and iggy is clearly leveling. he has to be.

not responding to your personally, because that's obviously a waste of time, but since this is a worthy topic:

teams like brazil, spain, italy, greece, etc. Have their star 15yr old players invited to national training facilities where they train together, or at least under the same coaching guidelines (depending on slight age differences) until they're old enough to turn pro, then they bring the same team to every international event (unlike the us where the team is assembled a month before the olympics and lately also for the fiba world championships) and have regular practices even between events.

Huge individual skill differences will obviously still make the US a favourite, but the struggles have nothing to do with the narrative that the US has egocentric, dumb players. And this is coming from a european.

anyway, that's why the 2012 basically is underachieving. they are better 1-on-1 or HU players, but aren't as good 5-on-5 or full ring players as the dream team.

the poker analogy could be bad, but its not needed to make my point anyway.

Iggy, you're obviously leveling, how could Pippen be selfish, he won like a ton of rings, you need to stop looking at the blatant evidence we have about him being a bitchy egomaniac

Actually, the DT players were much better at understanding what constituted a high quality shot. The shot selection on the 2012 team is pathetic compared to the DT. Even a guy like Kobe had ****ty shot selection compared to DT players even when Kobe was in his prime, and Kobe is probably the smartest player on the current team.

your statement that the euros play together since they were 15 goes along with my argument that they are better team players, better 5-on-5 players. whereas the modern US player is a talented 1-on-1 player, but put 9 other guys out there, and its a different game that they are not as adept at; but they have so much individual talent, they can scrape by and still beat a brazil team by 4 or 11, depending on the year (2006 or 2012).

I don't know which part of this post is funnier, jesus, Kobe...

otoh, your argument that the modern US player is not egocentric and dumb (from a 5-on-5 basketball sense) is wrong. they are egocentric and not as smart at 5-on-5 play as their precedessors, or the euros.

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Noun:
A person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.

O u mean like CP3 and Lebron

GMAFB

And look at LeBron. Most people would say he's been the best player in the league for 4 years now, but this was the first year he really spent any time in the post and his post game is still remarkably primitive. If he had half the post game of a Jordan at the same age no one would be able to argue against him being the best player ever, but Jordan in his 2nd or 3rd season had a better post game than what LeBron has now.

Even Kobe! Even Kobe has poor shot selection!!!

OMFG you know nothing about the modern game

My position isn't controversial. Nice use of the dictionary.

otoh, Jordan didn't shoot 3's because, by your own words, "it wasn't important", the nba has come a long way

Except that Lebron has been to 3 Finals before MJ went to 1

But back to that post game ...

Shot selection is a weakness for Kobe. I thought that was commonly accepted amongst intelligent basketball fans.

And what book are you using to describe someone that didn't get the final play called for them so they sat out ... somehow he's selfless

Pretty EZ to be called selfless when you're playing next to the gr8est player ever.

Kudos Pippen, you didn't go Marbury ... kudos

And that is relevant how?

Sure - so it's pretty stupid to say 'even Kobe has poor shot selection'

Amirite?

Kobe is the poster boy for bad shot selection, yet you're using him in that post as if he was the best 2012 could offer, you can't blame people for not getting wtv point you were making