Give the Brazilian team Stockton, MJ, and Pip and what is the result? Put those three on the Spanish team and what would the line be against the US?

This is just a mental trick BTW. If you expand the general population, you're just as likely to come up with a top 5% NBA player as a bottom 5% one.

DT wouldn't play a zone, but it is much more effective against a bunch of guys used to dribble penetration (even with superior outside shooters) versus guys who are used to post play, passing, and off the ball movement.

LOL @ people still arguing with trainwreckdog and Matt R., and I actually agree with their general point. You're not going to convince either of them, you're just going to get a lot of condescension and youtube clips thrown your way.

At even odds, I'd take any 2012 guy over Pippen in a shooting contest except Chandler and the Brow.

From NBA three or FIBA three?

Pippen took a lot of off the dribble threes. In a spot up contest, he'd do much better than his percentages may indicate.

i love this notion that crappy shooters improve when the distance is shortened but great shooters would just keep their percentages, you can't improve from that point on, obviously

Shoot from anywhere on the floor you want where players would actually shoot from (i.e. no full court shots). Pippen wasn't remotely the caliber of shooter of any of the perimeter players on this year's team.

check out magic at the 30 second mark... cmon guys. the guy was 6'9"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jte3NkMKCd0

'12 looked like crap tonight - still would've beat any team that the DT faced by 30-40 tho

how much evidence does it take to get a guy banned for trolling?

The shortened three makes a big difference for the DT generation of players. Many of them played with no three point line. Their range may have extended out to 18-20 feet without a three point line for proper spacing, but it didn't need to go all the way out to the NBA three point line. Still, a guy like Jordan was deadly from just a few feet inside the three point line, yet he was very inconsistent just a few feet further back. Those who watched him play know what I'm talking about. He was deadly all the way out to 20 feet, but just a few feet more and you didn't know what to expect.

That was true for many players back then. Guys like Malone had awesome midrange jumpers that extended back to 18 feet or so, but they didn't extend it back any further. Magic was a guy that developed a very good 18-20 footer to keep the D honest, but didn't really develop the NBA three because it didn't seem necessary.

And that is relevant how?

If you need to compare results against international competition in this mental exercise, you are doing it very, very wrong.

Westbrook?

I don't even ...

-110/-110 at worst, at worst - I'd cap it at -130/+110 Westbrook

Many players have consistent jumpers from a certain distance but can't extend it because they lack the ability to do so, it has nothing to do with it "not being important". And more importantly, guys that shoot the nba 3 well will still have improved %'s with a shorter line, so they would easily outshoot the players you mentioned

You don't even what?

The FIBA line's still not gonna move all the way in to one of the mid-range areas someone like Malone would practice if that's your argument.

Ur fellow DT boy TWDog compares everything to the DT run thru the int'l comp at the time

My post was isolated, it's not like I quoted you or anything

i'd say he is as good a shooter as chris paul, rwb, and iggy although i haven't checked the numbers.

he's a better player than all of them, regardless of what the stats say.

his style is a championship level style that every championship team needs. the same can't be said for chris paul. you don't need a ball dominant pg to win at the highest level, but you do need players like scottie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tObgS6uUVjQ

The argument isn't that the Dream Team would shoot better than the 2012 from 3, it is that the DT wouldn't shoot so poorly that a zone would actually work. My view is that a zone would get crushed because the DT had exceptional passers at all positions with exceptionally high basketball IQs. Also, even if they couldn't shoot from three (conceding an arguable point), they could drain mid range jumpers at every position at a very high rate. Beyond that, the game back then was much more about passing and off the ball movement compared to the game now that is driven by attacking via the dribble.

Arguing that they would shoot better than many may expect from the shortened three point line (like MJ shooting 40% from the shortened NBA line over three seasons) only reinforces my point. Still, their passing, basketball IQ, and midrange game would crush a zone. Beyond that, you can still post against a zone and draw defenders to you, and every player in the DT starting lineup had a superior post game. And, again, the passing on the DT was remarkably high. Zones can be ruined by exceptional passing, and it is hard to imagine many NBA lineups that are better at passing than Magic, MJ, Pip, Barkley, D-Rob.

I think the DT would do much better against a zone with their passing game and basketball IQ than the current team would do with their superior outside shooting.

could you please expand that post with more clips? I'm still not getting all out Pippen's value out of that one

Westbrook last 3 seasons (3P/FT): .221/.780, .330/.842, .316/.823

Pippen 90/91-92/93 (3P/FT): .309/.706, .200/.760, .237/.663

Westbrook obviously taking way tougher shots from 3 too.

disagree with both assertions