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Old 02-11-2019, 04:47 PM   #26
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

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I cannot purchase for some reason, the link doesnt work.
The "Upgrade to Pro" button should become active/clickable once all the payment info fields are filled in (in the field right above it). We can add some better user feedback messages here to make this more clear.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:49 PM   #27
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

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The preflop ranges are almost identical to other references/solved ranges out there. The site's FAQ also goes into more detail. You can buy/download the complete trees from other websites (with the cost usually on the order of hundreds to thousands of dollars). This site was intended to make it more accessible and easier for people to learn GTO ranges (at a fraction of the cost compared to generating it yourself). And also to make it more easy to learn on the go.

For each module, you'll be able to navigate the whole preflop tree to see the bet sizes available in each situation. Yes, the 4-15bb module is a push/fold module for people to master ranges if they want to play their whole range is push or fold.

The 15-50bb module includes min raises (at 15 or 20bb stack sizes) as an option for players. For example:



I agree that at some of these short stack depths you can play alternative strategies that include open limping (which can slightly improve a player's bb/100). We have many of these sims/tree/ranges as well which we might look to add. I will say that a) the improvements are not huge compared to a no open-limping strategy and b) the limping-strategy ranges usually involve a ton of mixed strategies which can be quite challenging to implement in practice
Is the picture above from the tournament open range for 15bbs? how come it doesn't have any hands as a shove? 55 and 66 for instance is +chipev
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:11 PM   #28
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

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Is the picture above from the tournament open range for 15bbs? how come it doesn't have any hands as a shove? 55 and 66 for instance is +chipev
Well we don't want to reveal all the interesting gems/insights you can discover from studying these ranges, of course.
But I will say, yes, if you play UTG as a pure push/fold, you get one strategy. And if you introduce a min-raise as an option, it now chooses a different strategy (with a higher ev than the pure push fold strategy) and everyone else adjusts accordingly. It chooses a different set of hands in each scenario.
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:10 AM   #29
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

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The "Upgrade to Pro" button should become active/clickable once all the payment info fields are filled in (in the field right above it). We can add some better user feedback messages here to make this more clear.
Are there any other payment options? don't want to use card. Try adding skrill or paypal.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:05 AM   #30
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

Hi, what raise and 3b sizes are available in the nl100bb?
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:41 PM   #31
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nvm i found the faq
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:58 AM   #32
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

Any possibility of adding post flop solutions?
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:25 PM   #33
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Any possibility of adding post flop solutions?
Yes, we can look to add post flop solutions as well. The challenge is that they are a lot less standardized and the number of possible situations is very high (i.e. all pairs of positions x many different possible stack sizes x many different types of flops = a very large number).
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Old 02-26-2019, 12:18 PM   #34
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

Needs an option to lock the position like in the demo.
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Old 03-06-2019, 06:19 AM   #35
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

Trying this out and I got a result that seems like it can't be correct, unless I'm misunderstanding:


Snapshove has us shoving 79.2% here, including 83s.
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:00 AM   #36
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Trying this out and I got a result that seems like it can't be correct, unless I'm misunderstanding:


Snapshove has us shoving 79.2% here, including 83s.
So the mixing % differences could be from a combination of factors:
1) I don't know exactly what parameters you used with the snapshove table. When I looked there, I didn't see an option for 9 players with a bb ante (which was what was used here). Even having 8 players with a 1/8 ante or 10 players with a 1/10 ante should generate slightly different results because of card removal effects (but I don't know how they're doing generating their ranges).

2) The strategy posted right now does mix shoving and folding with both 84s and 83s. Because both tables have a mixed strategy for 84s and 83s, that means we both view the EV of folding vs shoving either hand as identical.

3) Nash equilibrium solutions are not unique and there can be several different nash equilbria. And since these are all close approximations for nash equilibrium solutions, there are probably several different mixing strategies that are within some small % error of a nash equilibrium. (Also it's worth nothing that for games with >= 3 players, it's been proven that each player playing a strategy from some nash equilibrium does not mean the combination of each player's strategy is a nash equilibrium. The solution generated just has all dominated actions removed, which in practice does produce strong strategies, but the optimal response is still highly volatile depending on the other opponents).

4) These ranges are generated with monte carlo simulations so card removal effects of the first 7 players folding is accounted for. Also because it's monte carlo generated, it approaches a nash equilibrium but is always a very small % away (i.e. like in piosolver how you can approach 0% exploitability but never get exactly to 0). Also because of randomness in the monte carlo simulations, it can converge to slightly different solutions each iteration. For instance, I just reran the 6bb bbante 9 player case and the solution it has now does shove more with 84s, but never with 83s now, and also no longer with 86o. Is it less exploitable to shove more with 84s and less with 83s and 86o or vice versa? Both overall strategies are probably incredibly close to optimal and in practice there isn't much of a difference between either strategy. The purpose of the app is to train you so you intuitively know which situations are close (and can have a mixed strategy) and which ones aren't, and then can you use all the other factors (how loosely you estimate bb to be calling, etc.) to help you evaluate which way to go.
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:23 AM   #37
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

Very good!
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Old Yesterday, 04:43 PM   #38
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

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Needs an option to lock the position like in the demo.
We've added this "filter" feature to focus on a specific situation. For example:

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Old Yesterday, 04:47 PM   #39
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Re: Preflop Guru - a new solver-based (GTO) preflop training site for NL and PLO

Other features which we've added recently:
  • 9 new PLO modules for different levels of rake (micro, mid, and high-stakes)
  • ability to easily export/copy any range into Pio or PPT syntax
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