By the way, I have a few suggestions that I don't think have been mentioned yet.

- Could there be an action to have a player to call an all-in "clairvoyantly"? What I mean is, if one player is all-in, the other player would know what the first player's cards are, and only call if he has enough equity for the pot odds he is getting. This could be used, e.g. to calculate the Sklansky-Chubukov numbers, or to determine unexploitable pushing spots.

- How much more complicated would it be to extend the program to multiway hands? This would be extremely cool, although I can understand that it could get very very complex.

- Being able to do a monte carlo simulation and see the current EV as the calculation is being performed. That way if it's starting to converge pretty quickly i can stop it instead of having to wait the whole 14,000 simulated games. Same as in Stove.

- Being able to look at other games (omaha/o8/stud/razz/draw/2-7/etc) would be cool too, although stud would probably be a lot more complex since you take into account other people's cards as well.

True, but you also shouldn't need to do a complete hd-search for a program you just installed to find out it buried itself somewhere on your c: drive without ever asking where you wanted it installed imo.

For now it's possible to use % of the pot or absolute amounts. It was suggested to add raise "by amount" too (as on some poker sites like Ongame). I find "raise to" more intuitive though (like on Party, FTP and Stars).
Yeah, we came to the conclusion that some kind of tree-like interface would be both more powerful and more clear. I has to wait for a while but we will be working on that.
On the to-do list.

While it's easy for us to add "history" in condition window we have now it won't be elegant solution. Tree like interface would solve this problem easier. We are thinking what is the best solution.
Sooner or later it will be done but i can't promise when.

Will be available. Making the softwar more enjoyable is one of the priorities
This is a big one. We will start with adding somethign simple in condition window. More complicated things will have to wait though
Several users reported that to us already. Working on that.
I know that sucks but we decided to use standard microsoft click-once installer. It doesn't have an optin to choose directory to install. As people hate it (and I hate it too) there is big change we will change it.
Haha When designing this program I this was one of the first option I thought of.
It's not top priority for us and first we need to work on some resutl output and stuff (so you could see sklansky chubukov numbers for any situation in graphical form after one click) but it's somewhere on the to-do

I don't want to talk to much about this. There is enough features to be implemented in HU simulations. We have some ideas about multiway pots but it's long long time before we tackle this.
Same as above. We are not a big company (there are only two of us). A lot of our future plans depen on feedback and interest we get. If the program become popular we could afford to work on these things and maybe hire more people. It's yet to be seen though.
Once again. Click-once does it that way. It sucks I agree.


Thank all for suggestion. We are writing them down. The list is very long though so don't be discouraged if your favourite feature won't be implemented for those. Naturally features which gets mentioned more often are more likely to be tackled first. We plan on making some kind of poll on our website about what is important.
I am happy this project gets that much interest, thanks all again

Sorry for insisting but what about common stats?
This is very important for me, because a lot of my estimates of my opponents ranges come from datamined stats rather than very precise reads.
For exemple, Agression factors, c-bets %, raise cbets %, fire second barrel %, bet river%, WWSF, WSTD etc...
If these percentages were calculated for each player of a given strategy it would be very interesting to help us understand how they correlate to actual strategies.
I don't think this is particularly difficult to implement and it would had a great deal of value to the software.

c:\Documents and Settings\HERO\Lokala inställningar\Apps\2.0\YJB134OK.BN3\2MZLRX24.5TR\p oke..tion_42ee7988f7c0791e_0000.0005_0b2cad4ee1235 8fb\Pokerazor.exe

seems very shady.. we poker players are a very worried about trojans etc.

Currently Pokerazor is installed using Microsoft ClickOnce technology.
We'll switch to standard Windows installation mechanisms allowing the
user to choose installation folder etc. as soon as possible.

For those interested, detailed description of ClickOnce (how it's
different from standard MS Windows installers) is available on MS
website for software developers:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...z4(VS.80).aspx

I hope that after checking this out it won't seems shady for you anymore.

Punter, I have played around with your programm a lot. It is the best poker software I have ever seen.

This thing is the tits.

windows will always seem shady to me. OSX .app solution without installation feels 100x more secure.

is the pokerazor website down atm for anyone else? http://pokerazor.com

i cant wait to get my hands on this program!

Our website is back again, it was down for a few minutes.

I crashed it, i gave it way to much data to handle.

"If i got AA/KK i 3bet shove" "if i got X-Y i 3bet fold" "if villan got AA/KK he raise/shove" "if i got all my other hands(the whole deck combos as im in the blinds) i just fold".

Ah its back to life it took 182 seconds to to 1.6million combinations (but the GUI would of locked if i had tried to manipulate it for sure).

Now i just need to worry if my input was good.... Garbage in = Garbage out.

That's some nitty play.

where can i find a change log of latest update?

Current changelog is under the link "What's new (version history)" visible under the logotype when Pokerazor starts. It is also accessible from Help > About menu under the very same link.

Love the program.

I would love to see some way to get a break down of where the EV is coming from. The charts used in Killer Poker By The Numbers whould be killer (sorry couldn't resist).

I completely agree DarkKnight. I suggested a tree-like interface on the Pokerazor Forums and mentioned Killer Poker by the Numbers. It sounds like they are working on implementing a tree interface which I assume would make it easy to show the EV at different nodes (using some recursive calculations along children nodes).

The newest upgrage.
Some cool things are added

1)DPI display problem is fixed (almost). It's now possible to see all the drawings in their normal size while using 120 DPI. Some things still need correcting but they are minor issues;
2)Powerful "filter by condition" feature is now available. Now it's possible to "cut" the range in range selector to only leave the hands which form chosen hands on given board.
For example if you choose "standard CO" range which has 297 combos and you are interested only in hands which make toppair or a flush draw on AK2 board you can use this feature to do it with few clicks (just in case, final range has 110 combos).

3)Problem with showing % of hands chosen in range selector is fixed. Some users reported they see something like 1176 combos which is shown as 100%.
This was no bug but it wasn't clear why it's the case.
When selecting the range the cards on the board are treated as dead cards so there is no longer all the hands available. Range selector automatically accounts for that

We have prioritized other features and they will be added gradually. Tree like interface will be very powerful but it has to wait for a while longer.

This is possible even without tree-like interface and we will be working on this soon. I think you will love the feature as we thought of a cool way of presenting the results

As you can see solving Holdem is not a threat for a while
On serious note though the calculations which starts preflop with no betting after the flop are very slow now. They will be instant (well almost) in the future but it's not a priority for us. For calculatiosn which starts preflop with the betting after the flop range vs range is real killer. I reccomend not doing them. If you do hand vs range though be sure to choose specific hand like AK instead of AK. It will faster the calcs considerably.

We are still adding possible features and improvment to our list. Everything you suggest have a chance to be implemented sooner or later so please keep the suggestions coming

Wow, just got the updated version. This is really cool. You guys are doing an awesome job!

Anyway to add ("Add Pairs", "Add Broadway") to the range selection? (at some point, not necessarily right now).

Apparently I'm an idiot too, can't find where the application installed itself. There's no shortcut in startmenu nor desktop, and hd search can't find anything either.

gball: After you install the program, it should be placed in Start menu under: [All] Programs > Pokerazor Software > Pokerazor. You can always try to reinstall the app if it's missing, maybe installation somehow wasn't completed. Drop me a PM if you can't get it working.

A++++. Awesome software

Great program.

A couple of suggestions.

1) As well as just top pair, it would be nice to say something about the kicker. e.g., TP with a kicker of J+ or whatever.

2) This may be longer term, but it'd be really great to have a function where Pokerrazor tells you the optimal strategy for player X given player Y's strategy (would have to be a 1-street problem where I fold or get my stack in to be solvable I think) for a given hand.

E.g., with 68 on a A 5 7 board should my strategy be to 1) check-raise all in, 2) bet-call all in, or 3) bet-fold given my opponent will 1) after a check: bet / fold with air, bet / all in with TP+, and 2) after a bet: fold with air, and shove with TP+. Of course, this can be done manually, but it'd be quicker and easier if it could be done at the press of one button.

Thanks

This looks realllly sweet. I just tried downloading it though, and cannot get it to work. I saved the file to desktop, ran the little .exe file, clicked install, and it tries installing it in a temp folder or something. Is that right? It does in fact go to that folder, but how do I actually open the program then? Sry I am just used to programs giving me desktop icons to click on Thanks.

Disregard post directly above. I found solution a few posts back.