I'd like to suggest a way of aggregating the session results in a way that's tax-friendly. The jury's still out on whether it's ok to count each day as a session or whether each session must be counted individually. For multitablers, though, it seems reasonable to be able to aggregate all the tables into one session.

It would certainly be nice to be able to hit the print button and know where we are during the year as far as the IRS is concerned.

I'm just curious what the arrangement is between PT and PAHUD. PT Pat is noticeably silent in these discussions, I'm wondering if he is basically turning over PT3 to the PAHUD folks and cashing in the equity in the PT name. Who's running this ship, PT or PAHUD?

Pat rarely posts on 2+2, but I assure you, he is reading this.

Most development is being done by the PA Hud team. That's the main concern right now. Exact details on everything else will be handled closer to launch.

I'd like to see the ability to filter out rebuy period hands from opponent tournament stats.

I haven't read every single post...but will the new version of PT be available on a Mac?

This has probably come up, so consider this post an additional vote, rather than repetition. :-)

The biggest frustrations I have are the unwieldiness of the hand replayer and the difficulty in importing someone else's hands that I'm going to review, and exporting these or other hands. I have to restudy the directions on 2+2 each time.

If sharing hands is a breeze, I think it will help create buzz.

This is not likely unless demand for it is incredibly high.

When can we expect this new generation PT?

Edit:

nevermind. You said it'll show up before the end of the year. You know what, if you get a faster database going with a lot of the powerful features you promise to implement, I'll remain a loyal customer

How about this:

Include the PokerAce stats display on the replayer. When people exchange hands, a lot of moves make no sense unless you know what type of opponent it is.

Yes, and please make sure the stats that show up on the replayer are the stats at the time the hand took place, not at the time of replaying the hand.

would love to have some kind of bankroll management feature.

3Bet frequency and much more position aware things
like Vpip, raises etc etc.

Can you expand upon this? What ideas specifically did you have in mind?

This is a definite and will be in PT3.

For the love of all that is good and holy, please make a well documented universal hand history format that any hand from any poker site can be exported into. With your new database format it should practically write itself.

This way when developers come up with brilliant ideas they only have to make 1 hand history parser to work with every site, provided that person has PT. Think of the lock-in value!

i would like to see that pt imports automaticly tournament results and finishes in ti the database not that you have to do it manually every time if you multitable mtts you losing track of all the tournies you played and finished what position and what prize you got so do a automated tournament result entry where pt does it by itself all the data register
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I haven't read any posts, so forgive me if i repeat something but here are some things i'd like to have added:

Session/Hand Reviewer:
Where you can add comments on every street in the HH-file.

Patternfilter:
A filter where you can filter betting patterns.
e.g.:
PF 3bet, Flop raise, Turn check, River check raise
or even more accurate w/ bet amounts like min-raise or 3/4 pot.

Sklanskybucks

Not being a tourney player, I have no tournament hands imported into the current version of PT so its making it a little more difficult to properly design the PT3 database schema.

If anyone would be willing to send me a few tourney hands I would greatly appreciate it. I dont care who they are on or what limits. I just need some data to work with.

Please PM me for contact info.

Best regards,

APerfect10

This thread seems to have gone to sleep. Keep the ideas and suggestions coming guys.

In the course of PT3 development, we are coming across some interesting information regarding the details of the existing version of PT. I'm wondering if everyone reading this would be interested in having an input into some of the things my partners and I can't agree on. I've added a poll below as an experiment. If it seems to be well received, I will do this for other things as well in the future.

I would also like to add that the extensive design work that went into the framework for the new generation of PT is paying off handsomely. Things are still early in the development stage, but the application is shaping up very nicely. We have speedy imports, a well designed and organized database schema, a non-locking, very slick looking user interface and an extremely flexible and powerful system for displaying stats that will allow users to add custom stats. I was confident in the product before it became tangible. Now that I see it actually taking form, I'm even more confident and I'm very excited about it. You will be pleased with what we are doing.

Now to the poll. In disecting PT2's handling of stats, we came across something. PT2 currently does not count a hand as being won by you if the hand ends in a split and you lose money because of the rake. Should this feature remain this way, or should the hand still count as being won, even though technically, money was lost on the hand?

Voted yes.

Regardless of money, you did not lose the hand. It's a very simple thing, you split the pot, you did not lose, period. You might've not won by yourself, but you won something and you lost nothing poker wise, only money wise.

WON.

Also please include the replay features like pahud pasting on them when you were acctually playing!
thanks!

Look forward to the next release, I used PO for awhile, but it was just too buggy.

One thing that I really would like to see on the HUD is actions for each hand. When playing many tables it is hard to remember who raised, reraised etc.....This is in Po and was one thing I really like about their program.

pokerace,

i think the only way to normalize this is to include a new stat for "split pots" . take it out of the won/lost hands column.

the reason i say this (and i posted this in the other thread) is because depending on the nature of the hand, even if you don't win money, the hand can come up as a won/lost hand. for example, in a 50/100 LHE game, the blinds are 25 and 50. the button raises, SB folds, and the BB calls. the pot ends up getting split and you make the value of the small blind minus the rake, which is $10, essentially nothing (.1BB). However if the SB open raises and you call, and the pot is split, you lose about .02BB, which is also essentially nothing.

So you can see that pots are being count as won or lost and artificially boosting/lowering your stats without having any effect on winnings. this makes it hard to analyze sessions, since a session with 10 split pots counting as "won" makes you look like a [censored] who wins tons of hands and doesn't win money.

anyways i'd really really really like a 3rd column to be included and to have those hands completely ignored when computing W$WSF, W$SD, WTSD, etc.

i also want to note that i use pokertracker EXTENSIVELY to analyze stats (probably moreso than almost any other member in this forum) and have spent a lot of time thinking of this as a solution.

Related to Josh's question, what about hands where you lose the main pot, win the side pot, but net money? For example, Guy goes AI for $1 with AA, your KK and QQ get AI for $100. AA takes $3, you take $198 therefore profiting $98. Is that a win or a loss?

honestly its all such a gray area that i think all these things should be in a separate column, but i wouldn't be surprised if people disagree