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07-17-2007 , 04:10 PM
Fixing the ridiculous lag with pahud on ftp would be a good start...
07-17-2007 , 04:32 PM
I have created my own Bankroll Management Add-on to PT.

It could do with some streamlining, but this would be a great inclusion to the software package, and is another feature that no-one else has,

If you would like any advice on this please PM me. It has quite comprehensive features, but you could probably take the ideas and run with them

Look forward to the software anyway.
07-17-2007 , 04:59 PM
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I will not discuss the issues I see because I do not want help the competition make their product better.

Once the new generation of PT is released, it will be quite obvious what the issues are and I'm confident PT will remain the software of choice for the majority of poker players.
This comment is going to create so much hype it's silly. A poker manager can only do so much -- I hope you're aware of that.

The mistake I see is that customers expect results not hype in this market. That is why we're so curious as to what's happening with the new PT.

Just look at the HM thread. It started less than a month ago and it has nearly 60 pages.

The PT thread on the other hand is just inching past 10 pages.

HM is producing results
PT is producing hype
07-17-2007 , 05:02 PM
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Fixing the ridiculous lag with pahud on ftp would be a good start...
FTP has admitted their software has problems that are causing the lag. They claim they will be fixed sometime in the next couple of months.
07-17-2007 , 05:07 PM
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I will not discuss the issues I see because I do not want help the competition make their product better.

Once the new generation of PT is released, it will be quite obvious what the issues are and I'm confident PT will remain the software of choice for the majority of poker players.
This comment is going to create so much hype it's silly. A poker manager can only do so much -- I hope you're aware of that.

The mistake I see is that customers expect results not hype in this market. That is why we're so curious as to what's happening with the new PT.

Just look at the HM thread. It started less than a month ago and it has nearly 60 pages.

The PT thread on the other hand is just inching past 10 pages.

HM is producing results
PT is producing hype
PokerTracker and PokerAce Hud have been producing results for years now. HM has been around two days.

I think I've proven myself capable of making quality software and backing it up with good support. This is not a pet project for me, this is my job, my livelihood. I'm not making claims I can't backup. Time will tell.

Also, what difference does it make if the HM thread has 60 pages? It was around before this one and is really a different type of thread (it has a lot of bug reporting posts). Kind of silly to compare the two.
07-17-2007 , 05:20 PM
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Fixing the ridiculous lag with pahud on ftp would be a good start...
FTP has admitted their software has problems that are causing the lag. They claim they will be fixed sometime in the next couple of months.
a HUD with no LAG + 3bet% and free...wth josh, step ya game up
07-17-2007 , 05:33 PM
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Fixing the ridiculous lag with pahud on ftp would be a good start...
FTP has admitted their software has problems that are causing the lag. They claim they will be fixed sometime in the next couple of months.
a HUD with no LAG + 3bet% and free...wth josh, step ya game up
I could spend my time rewriting the graphics routine in PA Hud to reduce the lag, or I could wait two months until FT fixes their software and PA Hud will run fine again.

The 3-bet stuff couldn't be done in PA Hud. The information wasn't in the database. This will change in the next version of PT.
07-17-2007 , 06:20 PM
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Also, what difference does it make if the HM thread has 60 pages? It was around before this one and is really a different type of thread (it has a lot of bug reporting posts). Kind of silly to compare the two.
I don't think it's silly. Some of the posts are bug reports but look at the page views. People seem to be more interested in what's coming out now (or very soon) rather than what's coming out 3-5 months from now.

In 3-6 weeks when the initial "omg what, a new poker manager is out? let me try!" phase ends, people will have the option to continue using HM.

At this point PT will continue to have no results (note: I'm guessing here, but given what's been said previously in this thread you guys are pretty locked into keeping features behind closed doors).

I'm not trying to bust your hump over this but you are clearly making some very bold statements without anything to back it up other than "trust me".
07-17-2007 , 06:47 PM
One thing is true.

PokerAce Josh, knows his stuff. And supplies a great product.

If people dont maximise the software, thats THEIR problem.


(Although i'd love Stud/Razz support Josh. )
07-17-2007 , 07:00 PM
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I could spend my time rewriting the graphics routine in PA Hud to reduce the lag, or I could wait two months until FT fixes their software and PA Hud will run fine again.
Couldn't you do both so that we would have a work around until FTP gets their part together?
07-17-2007 , 07:41 PM
Why doesn't the current version of pokertracker support Bodog tournaments but it does support Bodog cash games? I couldn't really tell any major difference between the two versions of hand histories. I know this is a very small user base and it requires an outside piece of software to write the hand histories (DogWatcher) but support for tournaments would be awsome.
07-17-2007 , 07:54 PM
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I could spend my time rewriting the graphics routine in PA Hud to reduce the lag, or I could wait two months until FT fixes their software and PA Hud will run fine again.
Couldn't you do both so that we would have a work around until FTP gets their part together?
Since the problem will be resolved without me doing anything, I am choosing to use my development time on more worthwhile things.
07-17-2007 , 08:41 PM
It will be resolved after two months of your customers being unhappy and you are just OK with this and it isn't worthwhile at all to fix?

I think your worthwhile time would best be spent making your customers happy.
07-17-2007 , 09:05 PM
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It will be resolved after two months of your customers being unhappy and you are just OK with this and it isn't worthwhile at all to fix?

I think your worthwhile time would best be spent making your customers happy.
This only affects a small number of people to the point where they can't play as many tables as they choose to. There are also ways to minimize the impact (close unnecessary apps, reduce screen resolution, etc). Yes, I know it's frustrating, and yes, I spent a good amount of time trying to figure out a way around it short of rewriting the whole graphics system. It might take me longer to develop and debug a solution than it would for FTP to fix their software. Then, when they release their fix, I've got nothing to show but a lot of wasted time.
07-17-2007 , 09:40 PM
PA Josh
PT Pat

Sick combo. You guys both do a masterful job maintaining/upgrading your applications and supporting your customers.

The drama over your competition in this thread is laughable.
07-17-2007 , 10:22 PM
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Fixing the ridiculous lag with pahud on ftp would be a good start...
FTP has admitted their software has problems that are causing the lag. They claim they will be fixed sometime in the next couple of months.
a HUD with no LAG + 3bet% and free...wth josh, step ya game up
I could spend my time rewriting the graphics routine in PA Hud to reduce the lag, or I could wait two months until FT fixes their software and PA Hud will run fine again.

The 3-bet stuff couldn't be done in PA Hud. The information wasn't in the database. This will change in the next version of PT.
Why cant we have it now?
07-17-2007 , 10:32 PM
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PA Josh
PT Pat

Sick combo. You guys both do a masterful job maintaining/upgrading your applications and supporting your customers.

The drama over your competition in this thread is laughable.
Agree 100%.

Added to that, the thought that anyone but the most cheapskate of micro players would forgo purchase of ANY of these apps, even if one is better at something than the other is laughable. I am sure almost all people in any way serious about learning this game will have no hesitation to purchase a new version of PT / PA-HUD / HM / PO / PokerEV / Whatever may give ANY additional insight into the game. Personally I am happy to pay for all of them.

dave.
07-17-2007 , 10:33 PM
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Fixing the ridiculous lag with pahud on ftp would be a good start...
FTP has admitted their software has problems that are causing the lag. They claim they will be fixed sometime in the next couple of months.
a HUD with no LAG + 3bet% and free...wth josh, step ya game up
I could spend my time rewriting the graphics routine in PA Hud to reduce the lag, or I could wait two months until FT fixes their software and PA Hud will run fine again.

The 3-bet stuff couldn't be done in PA Hud. The information wasn't in the database. This will change in the next version of PT.
Why cant we have it now?
Ask Pat on the PokerTracker forums. I know he's working on it.
07-17-2007 , 11:07 PM
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Ask Pat on the PokerTracker forums. I know he's working on it.
He made a post about it in March and hasn't been involved with the thread since April.

What are we (the customers) supposed to think when the [only?] developer of PT goes MIA on something A LOT of people want for 3 months?
07-18-2007 , 12:05 AM
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Ask Pat on the PokerTracker forums. I know he's working on it.
He made a post about it in March and hasn't been involved with the thread since April.

What are we (the customers) supposed to think when the [only?] developer of PT goes MIA on something A LOT of people want for 3 months?
There's a reason Josh told you to ask Pat. Josh is not involved with the current version of PT. Even if Josh wanted to add 3bet to PT right now he couldnt. He doesnt have access to the PT code. That is Pat's and Pat's only.

Josh is in charge of redeveloping PT and releasing it as PT3. So lets please keep the discussion to that.
07-18-2007 , 01:03 AM
a lot of people think they have more rights than they actually do just because they bought a program
07-18-2007 , 12:19 PM
I'm not sure if this has been requested, but i would certainly like a tab to enter my deposits, bonuses and rakeback so i can have an accurate count of my bankroll. Yea its not really that important, but that again its not that hard to do.
07-18-2007 , 12:44 PM
my best advice would be to copy many aspects from Poker Office as this is very useful and all my friends have been converted from Tracker to Office... just having loads of analytical things such as money won/lost in certain positions and live statistics on the user so we can analyse how we are playing in the moment
07-18-2007 , 11:41 PM
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PA Josh
PT Pat

Sick combo. You guys both do a masterful job maintaining/upgrading your applications and supporting your customers.

The drama over your competition in this thread is laughable.
Agree 100%.

Added to that, the thought that anyone but the most cheapskate of micro players would forgo purchase of ANY of these apps, even if one is better at something than the other is laughable. I am sure almost all people in any way serious about learning this game will have no hesitation to purchase a new version of PT / PA-HUD / HM / PO / PokerEV / Whatever may give ANY additional insight into the game. Personally I am happy to pay for all of them.

dave.
07-19-2007 , 07:42 PM
I dunno if it has been suggested already, but you should really include Omaha in a "default" PT version. I think paying for 2 versions of the same program is stupid and not very attractive. More and more ppl play Omaha and paying for 2 programs to track my poker hands just isn't something I am keen on doing, personally.

      
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