Q: what's the rough ETA on this project? Of course i understand that if u haven't even started coding it, u won't have a specific date for us, but just ballpark it. Are we talking 3 months, 12 months, 3 years? What?

This is up to the developer, not an OS limitation. It's just as easy to have the popup form + parent both be accessable as it is to lock the popup form in "on top / you can't do anything until you close this" mode until it's closed.

Sometimes it makes sense to block the parent form from being usable when a popup form is invoked though.

A self-organizer or something to sort the PAHUD stats; it is a gigantic pain to add more customizable stats and get them to fit around a player in a nice order.

There are some amazing suggestions on here Josh. I'd quote or second some of them but it would just be too long. The one thing that sticks out that would be cool is stats that change with a situation, like on a certain street or in a tourney when a table goes short handed. I trust you guys will make an amazing product. As excited as I am about this, take you're time and do it right because I would rather have it be more functional that to have it sooner.

ha , first get PA HUD to work properly on FTP and then get back at me about future software..

don't know if it's been asked, but will this new and improved pokertracker come with a recurring fee? or will it be a 1 time fee like PAHud and PT currently are?

works fine for me

After reading this thread...
And as a software engineer myself...
It's obvious that PT must be redesigned from scratch...
And targeted directly at PO and HM.

Even with several talented engineers...
And understanding that this is ONLY a poker tracker...
That is a minimum 1-2 year project.

After getting back into poker...
And buying the latest version of PT 2 months ago...
I was ** SHOCKED ** that is was virtually the same product I bought 3 years ago.

It's really like something out of the 50s...
And looks great with a lava lamp.

If they blink and just try to tweak it...
PT is dead... if it's not already waaaaay too late.

Rather than spend time researching each site that is asked about, then coming up with a rough estimate of how long it will take to add support, I simply do all the work at once. Unfortunately, this means I cannot make promises as to whether a site can or will be added and when it will be available. Also, bug fixes and trying my best to make sure existing features are working properly get priority over new features.

Read the entire thread in question and you'll see why I gave the response I did.

You need to keep in mind that a lot of code has already been written. Not everything will be rebuilt from scratch. A lot of lessons learned from the current PT and PA Hud software will save an enormous amount of time.

Also, while actual coding is still in its earlier phases, a lot of the design work has already been done for quite a while. This isn't a project that just popped up. Discussion and design as well as some coding began well over 6 months ago. Design is the hard part. Implementation is easier. Considering I have intimate knowledge in regards to most of the sites PT currently supports, implementation shouldn't take long.

It's not unreasonable to expect beta versions as early as 3 months. I hope for a stable release before the end of the year.

I appreciate every suggestion that we are getting. The further this project goes, the more I'm confident that every PT and PA Hud user and all potential users will be thrilled with the next generation.

r u serious?
I have exactly the opposite reaction -- i really can't believe how good it is. i don't know if I've ever opened it up and *not* been flabbergasted at the fact that i only paid $50 for this thing. I mean, honestly, knowing what i know now, I would gladly pay $5,000 for it, as would I'm sure any other high-stakes player who relies on it as heavily as I do. Now I admit that i haven't tried HM, and it may very well blow PT out of the water, but suggesting that PT is dead is redonkulous. It's an awesome, awesome piece of software that continues to deliver. Saying that it's the best $50 I have ever spent in my life would not be an understatement when u consider the gains it's helped me realize.

Yes this would be nice.

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would also like to at hold'em manager will also not be a recurring fee

positional statistics displayed on screen while playing.
Auto odds calculator vs their most likely range base on position would be nice

It will not be a recurring fee. There will be a one time upgrade fee for existing PT users and a regular purchase price for new users.

I didn't read this whole thread, but I'll suggest:

More analysis tools: e.g. sklanksy bucks calculator; win rate estimation etc.


When I review a hand in the replayer, I wanna see my opponents stats.

Hand converter for 2+2 (or at least an addon)

Session review feature, so I can easily take notes on someone's session, and share it easily with other reviewers.

I wanna be able to click on a 'session review' button and have a customizable routine that automatically forces me to review my session step by step

Same thing with a stats review, customizable routine that makes me go thru a certain number of stats after a certain amount of hands. I wanna be able to share the routine with other players.

It would be cool if some of the best players would be able to program their review routine, share it with me so that I review the exact same stuff. And then I could save the review session and send it to someone.

That is so quotable. I've been using it for 2+ years and every other week or so STILL get the urge to pm Pat and thank him (for about the millionth time). It usually comes up during analysis and even with the big holes there, I can't get over how much I can do with the thing.

You should REALLY try HoldEm Manager. The bar has been set, lets see what PT and PAHUD will deliver.

Most of what I use pt for is analysis and it would be nice if I could save its state at any particular time (db in use, prefs/date settings, filters and games tab). Being able to save a half dozen or so of these snapshots that I can load again would be extremely handy. And I don't mean just an option to save when I'm closing pt but something I can invoke at any point in time.

I'd also like it if the window something-or-other on menubar reflected much more specific titles. Right now I can have a number of dbs/limits stat windows opened but the way they're titled on that menubar entry is very ambiguous and either difficult or impossible to distinguish between them without actually switching to it to see what it is.

I would like to see a way to filter all-in pre-flops data..

I think it would be nice if all PT users shared the same hand history database. This probably would make it more of a subscription service, but that way you'd rarely encounter a player without any stats...

Yes and AFAIK it would also break all the terms and conditions of the pokers sites and be banned. So i think that is a non starter.

Can you elaborate. It does no good to say something like that without backing it up. I own both PT and PAHUD and like everyone else trying to decide which route to go.

I will not discuss the issues I see because I do not want help the competition make their product better.

Once the new generation of PT is released, it will be quite obvious what the issues are and I'm confident PT will remain the software of choice for the majority of poker players.

just curious how come Pat hasn't posted in this topic or gave any hints at all ?

I really hope the new PT & Pokerace are going to live up to this "hype" (and hopefully soon)
i really dont want to have to switch to something new, cause I love PT and pokerace