What sort of custom stats you guys are looking for?
I'm just curious what would someone want besides 5-10 basics stats on the in their hud.

Can either program track rackback and bonuses?

And i read in another thread that the fold to 3bet stat in PT3 includes the times you fold without being the raiser ie. you are btn UTG raise UTG+1 3bet you fold. How does HEM calculate the stat?

Not positive if HM calculates that stat the same as PT3 or not.

HM has RakeBack in the graph, and it also has (had) a Bonuses section, that he removed, until he redesigns it.

Fozzy, do you know if the PT team intend to add a tab to track bonuses/rakeback even if it is just for us to manually enter?

Ask them to be sure, I am not 100% - but I would assume so. I know they had plans for a 'Bankroll Tracker' Tab, IIRC.

looks like im going to order me HEM

On day 1 when PT3 was officially released I sent one of the developers a PM. Basically asking if they planned to add big new features in the future in case one of the other trackers offered a unique feature that was really strong (HEM or PEV).

His response:
So now I guess we play the waiting game. From what I've seen I think all 3 trackers will be very very solid. If HEM comes out with a completely sick feature that's ground breaking then what's to stop PT3 from adding it? Nothing really.

I don't think we even need to compare them tbh. I'm guessing in a reasonable amount of time all of the trackers will have very similar features. It'll come down to the overall feel of the app and trust.

This market is really hit or miss. Either your app is "the best" or you're not going to have success. I assume all of the developers know this and won't let us down (otherwise their business will fail).

Had 0 idea this thread was still running lol

I think ultimately it will boil down to two things, since I do believe hot features will be ported to other trackers/HUDs. The first thing is price obviously. The cheaper the tracker/HUD, the better. Second is speed. Since the features will be pretty uniform, it will really boil down to a speed game on two fronts. Who can import faster, whose HUD doesn't bog down as easily under massive multi-tabling and large databases, and so forth. On this front apparently PokerEV is going to be the leader from my naive understanding. On the second and somewhat less significant front is the one that will provide the quickest software patches.

What do you mean?

What does price have to do choosing a tracker + hud? Its the last possible consideration.

If they all have nearly identical features and stability, then price would be one of the very few parameters that would be significantly varied among the tracker/HUDs. My assumption is that of relative equality in the feature-set of the various tracker/HUDs, which may or may not actually bear out as true.

ok great but could you please elaborate? (show, don't tell)

im stuck between upgrading to PT3 and getting HM. please, don't just tell me one is better, explain why.

Bcos HEM actually works right now.

Two questions:

1. Which is better for SNG players?

2. If I buy one of these now and install it on my laptop and desktop, and then scrap my desktop 3 months from now for a new one, do I have to pay again?

TIA

I asked this question in the PT3 forum a while ago. The answer is "NO, just uinstall PT3 on your old machine before installing it on the new machine".

Presumably you want to be connected to the internet when you uninstall PT3 so that the uninstaller can tell the PT3 license server.

I haven't tried HEM so no comment there.

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I haven't seen any comparisons lately. Are we at the point where these two applications are pretty much equal? I don't see as many complaints in the PT3 thread these days, so I assume they have worked out most of the bugs at this point and the app is stable. Is this the case or is HEM still preferred by most? Are there any major pros and/or cons of the apps in comparison to one another?

Any help would be appreciated.

Seems like a majority of graphs posted on 2p2 are HEM graphs, but I doubt there's any big differences these days. I still love my HEM.

yeah, i've noticed that as well. I guess I should eventually stop being lazy and try out both.

I have no idea how HEM has sold even a single copy considering how horrible the website is. It's a bunch of stupid confusing flash animations and nonsense. Barf.

That change was just recent, and yes the flash is MEGA annoying and there isn't even an option to view the site without flash, so if you for some reason can't/don't want to view flash animations, you are so out of luck.

I seriously hate over the top websites that try too hard to be hip and cool, just display the information in an organized and logical way with a theme that is gentle on the eyes, is that so hard. if you must have the ******ed sluggish flash animations and movie effect s**t at least have an option to skip it...and view a normal website...

definite poor move to change the website like that.

QFMFT

Nobody has compared the 2 here for a while now. Any updates? I'm debating on which one to get

I have used both and my favourite at this time is HEM. I love the active player window as it gives me instant access to all the information I require quickly. I particularly find useful the ability to see at a glance the range of hands which have gone to showdown where the opponent has 3bet, called 3bet, 4bet, called 4bet and limp reraised.

I find the notes facility on the hud priceless especially as iPoker notes are so bad.

I find it easy to find the biggest winning and losing hands of my opponents and the hands they have gone all in with, and on which street, also what their equity was at that point. This is also handy for me to review my own hands.

I find the option to review the session hands at the table by clicking on the previous pot's winner's name is excellent as I don't need the history open in iPoker. I can also mark a hand for review later and export the hand history in different formats for different forums.

I like the way that I can double click for just this session's stats on an opponent and that all popups then only relate to the session.

Poker tracker imports hands when importing in bulk quicker. However if datamining I would advise starting a new database every month as when my database was over 3million hands in size, housekeeping took a long time, over 2 hours. When under a million hands it only took about 30mins and that was including rebuilding the cache.

I'm not sure if it's a problem with all poker rooms but on iPoker, when you move tournament table PT loses you. The only workaround I have found is to stop auto import, move the hand history file, then begin auto import again every time I am moved table. I haven't found HEM great for tournaments either and still use PT for them with the above workaround.

I am sure PT3 will improve greatly with each new beta and I may go back to them in the future for cash games. I will continue to use it for tournaments (may as well make use of my licence). For now though HEM wins for cash.

i have both and HM is by far better!!! not even close!!! Its a lot more stable, although i think PT3 is slightly faster in retrieving stats and importing. HM has a better hud, a better replayer with hud stats, EV, and pot odds etc. more importantly, HM has constant update, whereas with PT3 you have to wait 2 to 3 weeks. Support is better too, they have this massive FAQ thing which answer a wide range of questions, and if that doesnt help, u can always post in their forum and expect a good reply instead of getting a reply telling you to send them log file and get back to you shortly kind of BS. I do think PT3 will probably be better than HM in the future, but just cant see that happening within the next 12 months