I won't hijack this thread any longer, but unless that was at the start of the auto-import and PT3 was reading through older hands already in the directories, the number doesn't make sense. If that was after auto-import ran for a while and was caught up on the histories, please let me know on our forum. I'd like to figure out why that was averaging anything more than 0%.

Yea,

Once again, I cannot say whether the CPU number was high or low as I wasn't looking at that column. This may have just been a bug or something that you have now fixed, but regardless I am testing it right now and I haven't seen it go past 01 yet, generally staying at 00. I have it at ~23,000k and it fluctuates a bit occasionally. I unfortunately can't test HM anymore so I'm not going to re-do this part yet as I can't test his numbers.

I just wanted to give a quick overview of the core parts of each program in this review. I will try my best to get out another one when PokerEV comes along and when PT3 gets released. Then I can do a review with all the components instead of the core parts.

I have seen an instructional video of a player using HM.

I am mostly interested in the HUD.

Obviously PT3 will also have 3-bet and 4-bet % on their huds.

But HM had a pop up stat breaking down action after position.

So for a 35/20 player you could se how his 20% PFR was distributed over positions, UTG, CO, SB etc.

That would be very helpful, as some opponents are not positional aware, furthermore you will be able to put opponents on preflop-ranges MUCH more precisely.

Does anyone now if the PT3 HUD will have this info ?

I would ask that question in the PT3 thread, or on the PT3 Forums, if I were you. This thread is from January.

FWIW - I am sure PT3 HUD will have positional breakdown of the stats available in some similar form.

Whats the latest on the pros and cons between the two presently?

I don't think you can compare two applications where one supports a multitude of poker rooms and has a HUD, and the other only supports FTP, PS and PP and has no HUD.

youre wrong about the hud part.

imho!, the current pt alpha is "smoother" than holdem manager.

but this is just my opinion based on the current development.

in 1-2 months things could be different, or not.

but its pretty easy to say that both products are way besser than the old pt2.

I'm interested in the pros and cons of each program. I've read about both and clearly they are superior to PT2. Any info from someone that has both would be greately appreciated. thx

Livecards, you can try them both out for FREE.

That will tell you more than 10 reviews.

Thanks Jehaim, I'll try them both. I'd still like to hear from some that have experience with tracking software.

Im surprised no one has mentioned that with PT3 you have to cluster and analyze (well not have to, but prolly should after a large import) and that seems to take forever. It actually sucks because you dont get an ETA on that. If you count the post import analysis, which HM doesn't have to do, import speeds probably come out to the same.

EDIT: The clustering and analyzing was in beta 8 I believe, I havent downloaded the official release, so if that is not required anymore, then I'll stop talking.

Comparing the latest respective builds of both, I'm liking HM better.

Me too, i hope it takes off nicely so they can continue to develop and add even more to it.

agree with this also.

Okey.
Now we have both softwares working.
For who have tested PT3 and HM what of this is the best? why?

For me, whichever one puts out a Mac version first is the one I will buy.

I have bought both and HM still impresses me more. The filters are easier to use and stats in the replayer just takes the cake. Also the HUD pop-ups are so well organized by default in HEM that I don't even use their pop-up editor. As far as PT3 I mainly bought it b/c it has customizable HUD stats and the tabletracker but then after buying it learned that tabletracker doesn't support stars. I know at some point PT3's quality will catch up to HEM's because of lost demand when PT3 developers realize that HEM has likely taken quite a chunk of their business, so I look forward to that. But if you need a tracker that's going to be ahead of the curve right now, HEM would be my choice.

I'm in love with HM right now, and really unless PT3 puts out something incredible that make it worth jumping ship I don't see myself moving.

TableTracker was a pretty big *surprise* letdown for me. When there's only 15 tables running on the limits I play it's not hard to see what tables good and what isn't.

I really wish I read some reviews or even played around with HM before buying PT3. I am really disappointed in PT3 right now. The HUD is not even functional right now and the actual DB feels like PT2 with 3betting stats and some easy customization features. PT3 should still be in beta for a couple more months.

PT3 is an absolute snail for me with importing. HM much quicker.

+1 for HEM

+1 for HEM

Miles ahead.

cheers
Boon

So far I'm gonna sit on my hands and wait for the PokerEV beta before pulling the trigger.

I imported 40K hands 2.5 times faster with PT3 than HEM.

HEM right now has the clear lead, but PT3 will be getting better and better.
Give it some time, just as HEM had.

PokerEV is gonna blow them both out of the water though.

Same here. When I found out that there is competition for PT in the making I just thought that it is nice for the market and for the players. But now that HM and PT3 are out and PEV will be in public beta soon I am getting excited and am certain that I will buy a new tracker soon. I didn't do it yet because somehow my gut tells me that it's probably worth it to wait for PEV Beta.