Plugging Leaks using Holdem Manager - Beta Testers Needed
05-14-2008
, 09:40 PM
Hi,
I will be releasing an article fairly soon which is basically a 26 page document that concentrates on plugging leaks using Holdem Manager.
For anyone that dosent already know there is a feature which allows you to configure a detailed report like "where we call a 3bet with AQ TT+ and go to showdown and the pot isnt either a 3bet pot or a limped pot. I can then save this filter and you just load it and it changes all the settings.
Theres about 85 areas i concentrate on and each has a filter like i described above. When i say 85 there could be 15 filters for 3betting and 15 for flush draws as the filters cover both basic and detailed things for e.g 1 filter might cover just calling a 3bet, another might be where they called a 3bet with a certain range of hands and went to showdown.
Each general section like 3betting,blinds,Double Barrelling, calling flop raises with different hand strength ranges etc has a short peice on how i recommend to play which is probably only relevant to Micro and Small Stakes players but its there nonetheless. For each filter it has an area for you to enter your results and what your goals are for this area as in does it need to be improved etc with the idea being you assess where your leaks are and then in 1 month or x amount of hands later you review again but probably concentrate on the areas which werent up to scratch the last review and see if theyve improved and if not then spend some time finding why the leak still exists.
For each filter i have already configured all the settings, you just need to go to Load filters and select the filter and just press refresh and review your results and enter them into the word document either by print or typing it in whichever is handiest.
Im also doing some research where ill be compiling winning TAGs statitistics with big samples so i can try and get some averages of what people who are winning are achieving and so for each filter i hope to have a range that if your playing well you should be in so you can see if your performing below or above average for each filter.
Of course different styles of play will have varying results like an aggressive double barreller and a passive double barreller but for the most part these estimated ranges should be very helpful. It should also help to find leaks that people just dont notice or see when posting HH and alot of work went into configuring the filters. Obviously with any stats reviews it needs a big sample to let the variance even out so no point in doing this with 10k hands.
So as ive said this will be made available to the public free of charge soon but i need lots of people to test it first so i can compile all the data and then i can recommend ranges for each filter and relase the full version. This will not require you to hand over any HH whatsoever, all you need to do is run the filter and record your results. I will have no link to you because ill only have your stats and no username or HH's so i cant use the information to gain any advantage and all the information will only be used for research purposes.
I have been in contact with Roy from HM about this and hes agreed to come on here just to verify my integrity, he has seen the document himself.
So if anyone would like to test this for me and return their results can you please pm with your email address so i can forward you the document. I dont post on 2+2 very often so im not sure if you can send documents via PM if thats possible i can do that either if you dont want to disclose your email.
To qualify you must be a winning TAG playing 50nl+ and have at least 50k hands for review. Please let me know this in the PM.
Lastly ill attach a screenshot of just 1 area to give you an idea of what to expect.
I will be releasing an article fairly soon which is basically a 26 page document that concentrates on plugging leaks using Holdem Manager.
For anyone that dosent already know there is a feature which allows you to configure a detailed report like "where we call a 3bet with AQ TT+ and go to showdown and the pot isnt either a 3bet pot or a limped pot. I can then save this filter and you just load it and it changes all the settings.
Theres about 85 areas i concentrate on and each has a filter like i described above. When i say 85 there could be 15 filters for 3betting and 15 for flush draws as the filters cover both basic and detailed things for e.g 1 filter might cover just calling a 3bet, another might be where they called a 3bet with a certain range of hands and went to showdown.
Each general section like 3betting,blinds,Double Barrelling, calling flop raises with different hand strength ranges etc has a short peice on how i recommend to play which is probably only relevant to Micro and Small Stakes players but its there nonetheless. For each filter it has an area for you to enter your results and what your goals are for this area as in does it need to be improved etc with the idea being you assess where your leaks are and then in 1 month or x amount of hands later you review again but probably concentrate on the areas which werent up to scratch the last review and see if theyve improved and if not then spend some time finding why the leak still exists.
For each filter i have already configured all the settings, you just need to go to Load filters and select the filter and just press refresh and review your results and enter them into the word document either by print or typing it in whichever is handiest.
Im also doing some research where ill be compiling winning TAGs statitistics with big samples so i can try and get some averages of what people who are winning are achieving and so for each filter i hope to have a range that if your playing well you should be in so you can see if your performing below or above average for each filter.
Of course different styles of play will have varying results like an aggressive double barreller and a passive double barreller but for the most part these estimated ranges should be very helpful. It should also help to find leaks that people just dont notice or see when posting HH and alot of work went into configuring the filters. Obviously with any stats reviews it needs a big sample to let the variance even out so no point in doing this with 10k hands.
So as ive said this will be made available to the public free of charge soon but i need lots of people to test it first so i can compile all the data and then i can recommend ranges for each filter and relase the full version. This will not require you to hand over any HH whatsoever, all you need to do is run the filter and record your results. I will have no link to you because ill only have your stats and no username or HH's so i cant use the information to gain any advantage and all the information will only be used for research purposes.
I have been in contact with Roy from HM about this and hes agreed to come on here just to verify my integrity, he has seen the document himself.
So if anyone would like to test this for me and return their results can you please pm with your email address so i can forward you the document. I dont post on 2+2 very often so im not sure if you can send documents via PM if thats possible i can do that either if you dont want to disclose your email.
To qualify you must be a winning TAG playing 50nl+ and have at least 50k hands for review. Please let me know this in the PM.
Lastly ill attach a screenshot of just 1 area to give you an idea of what to expect.
05-15-2008
, 12:42 PM
Can I ask what the BB/100 for the "Calling 3bets" value is? Why is it -362 and not 3.62?
Also, more importantly: is this value the amount you lose from the start of the hand onwards or is it the amount you lose from the point where you were faced with the option to call the 3bet?
I agree for this specific case you can assume that you make a standard raise and thus know how much you've put in the pot and can subtract it, but what I'm really interested in are questions like: "I, the pre-flop-raiser, am holding AK vs one opponent and I'm IP. He's checked the flop to me, but I've missed the board and have the choice to make a c-bet. How much on average do I win/lose from the c-bet onwards compared to just folding?" (ie: The EV for the c-bet in this class of situation). In other words, can a HM filter be made to work out the amount you win/lose from a certain point onwards and not from the start of the hand?
With the EV I can really start to plug leaks, but just knowing how much I lose from the start of the hand onwards tells me very little.
Juk
Also, more importantly: is this value the amount you lose from the start of the hand onwards or is it the amount you lose from the point where you were faced with the option to call the 3bet?
I agree for this specific case you can assume that you make a standard raise and thus know how much you've put in the pot and can subtract it, but what I'm really interested in are questions like: "I, the pre-flop-raiser, am holding AK vs one opponent and I'm IP. He's checked the flop to me, but I've missed the board and have the choice to make a c-bet. How much on average do I win/lose from the c-bet onwards compared to just folding?" (ie: The EV for the c-bet in this class of situation). In other words, can a HM filter be made to work out the amount you win/lose from a certain point onwards and not from the start of the hand?
With the EV I can really start to plug leaks, but just knowing how much I lose from the start of the hand onwards tells me very little.
Juk
05-15-2008
, 06:31 PM
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BB/100 is the standard Big Blinds Won per 100 hands. Same stat as people use to define their winrate i.e im running at 6bb/100. 100b/100 is obviously 1big blind on average per hand.
So i can say that im losing an average of 3.5bb per hand or i can say im losing 350bb/100 is the same thing. I think referring to both can be confusing though so when im proof reading and editing the document over the next few days ill only use the bb/100 stat when im referring these things to avoid confusion.
Yes this is the amount you lose from the start of the hand in this example. This is where the research will come in because we can see what winning TAGs are averaging in these area's, so we know folding will lose 350bb/100 but that dosent neccessarily mean if i call and only lose 200bb/100 that im playing well because most TAGs might be making a profit of 50bb/100 when calling and so we need to review our Hands to see where making the mistakes that is causing us to lose more than most people. This could be that we are calling too much or playing bad post flop or a number of reasons.
The question isnt a simple Yes, for example i work on double barrelling in 1 section. In 1 case i have a filter that will take the times that i have raised PF and on the flop my hand value is High Card i.e no pair or worse. The filter also stipulates i cbet the flop and my hand value is still no pair and worse on the turn. The filter has also discluded limped pots and 3bet/4bet/5bet pots and so at this stage i would have raised 3.5bb preflop, 6bb as a cbet and so at this point i have invested 9.5bb or 950bb/100. So the filter shows the times that ive basically had air and ive double barrelled. We know i can expect to lose 950bb/100 if i just give up so when we run the filter we see if double barrelling was more profitable than -950bb/100 or not.
This obviously shows if were picking the right boards and right villains to double barrell against and if were doing worse than 950bb/100 then we have a leak. Again for my research i intend to be able to give a figure of what people are averaging that are winning players so again just because were doing better than -950bb/100 dosent mean were picking good spots to double barrell because other TAGs might be ranging from +50bb/100 to -200bb/100. So the idea is you spot the leak but obviously HM cant identify exactly what your doing wrong so its up to you to put in the effort and review all the biggest pots for that filter, with the new HM replayer you can now review what the stats were at the time and see did you try to double barrell a station, does that villain have a high wtsd% and low fold to turn bet and if so why was i trying to double barrell with Air on a 765 rainbow board.
The stats for double barrelling though are not limited to 1 filter, theres a filter where youve double barrelled with Air another where you double barrelled with BP or worse, another with underpairs & MP, another with a flush draw etc etc etc
On your actual question about cbetting i didnt include any continuation bet filters for a couple of reasons. firstly i dont think its very hard to be profitable making a cbet with Air, its hard to make a mistake IMO because you should be cbetting Air a big % of the time, however if your not following the basic rules and cbetting 100% of the time regardless of the board texture and number of villains and also ignoring the villains fold to cbet stats etc your going to have problems but in general i dont think someone will notice a leak where they cbet if i did include the filter and heres why.
As ive said when someone cbets its hard to make a big mistake but its how you react on further streets where your leaks will develop, if you cbet and they raise you how do you react, if they call and you miss the turn how do you react, what stats do you take into consideration on the turn like i previously mentioned and what do you do on the river if your double barrell dosent pay off. This is where the leaks will be noticeable and leaks where people call a raise of a cbet is actually covered extensively in another section as is double barrelling so i didnt see the value in including a filter for cbetting because of that because people just wouldnt have the time to review thousands of cbets to see where the mistake is because its more than likely that the mistake is on further streets or from further action.
I guess their might be a need to see a filter where youve cbet against 2 player on a drawy board or something and although i have no plans to add any further sections or filters before the final release as im working on the research and proof reading over the next few days however if people have suggestions for further filters i will add them after the final release if i think they could be interesting and useful.
Thanks
So i can say that im losing an average of 3.5bb per hand or i can say im losing 350bb/100 is the same thing. I think referring to both can be confusing though so when im proof reading and editing the document over the next few days ill only use the bb/100 stat when im referring these things to avoid confusion.
Yes this is the amount you lose from the start of the hand in this example. This is where the research will come in because we can see what winning TAGs are averaging in these area's, so we know folding will lose 350bb/100 but that dosent neccessarily mean if i call and only lose 200bb/100 that im playing well because most TAGs might be making a profit of 50bb/100 when calling and so we need to review our Hands to see where making the mistakes that is causing us to lose more than most people. This could be that we are calling too much or playing bad post flop or a number of reasons.
The question isnt a simple Yes, for example i work on double barrelling in 1 section. In 1 case i have a filter that will take the times that i have raised PF and on the flop my hand value is High Card i.e no pair or worse. The filter also stipulates i cbet the flop and my hand value is still no pair and worse on the turn. The filter has also discluded limped pots and 3bet/4bet/5bet pots and so at this stage i would have raised 3.5bb preflop, 6bb as a cbet and so at this point i have invested 9.5bb or 950bb/100. So the filter shows the times that ive basically had air and ive double barrelled. We know i can expect to lose 950bb/100 if i just give up so when we run the filter we see if double barrelling was more profitable than -950bb/100 or not.
This obviously shows if were picking the right boards and right villains to double barrell against and if were doing worse than 950bb/100 then we have a leak. Again for my research i intend to be able to give a figure of what people are averaging that are winning players so again just because were doing better than -950bb/100 dosent mean were picking good spots to double barrell because other TAGs might be ranging from +50bb/100 to -200bb/100. So the idea is you spot the leak but obviously HM cant identify exactly what your doing wrong so its up to you to put in the effort and review all the biggest pots for that filter, with the new HM replayer you can now review what the stats were at the time and see did you try to double barrell a station, does that villain have a high wtsd% and low fold to turn bet and if so why was i trying to double barrell with Air on a 765 rainbow board.
The stats for double barrelling though are not limited to 1 filter, theres a filter where youve double barrelled with Air another where you double barrelled with BP or worse, another with underpairs & MP, another with a flush draw etc etc etc
On your actual question about cbetting i didnt include any continuation bet filters for a couple of reasons. firstly i dont think its very hard to be profitable making a cbet with Air, its hard to make a mistake IMO because you should be cbetting Air a big % of the time, however if your not following the basic rules and cbetting 100% of the time regardless of the board texture and number of villains and also ignoring the villains fold to cbet stats etc your going to have problems but in general i dont think someone will notice a leak where they cbet if i did include the filter and heres why.
As ive said when someone cbets its hard to make a big mistake but its how you react on further streets where your leaks will develop, if you cbet and they raise you how do you react, if they call and you miss the turn how do you react, what stats do you take into consideration on the turn like i previously mentioned and what do you do on the river if your double barrell dosent pay off. This is where the leaks will be noticeable and leaks where people call a raise of a cbet is actually covered extensively in another section as is double barrelling so i didnt see the value in including a filter for cbetting because of that because people just wouldnt have the time to review thousands of cbets to see where the mistake is because its more than likely that the mistake is on further streets or from further action.
I guess their might be a need to see a filter where youve cbet against 2 player on a drawy board or something and although i have no plans to add any further sections or filters before the final release as im working on the research and proof reading over the next few days however if people have suggestions for further filters i will add them after the final release if i think they could be interesting and useful.
Thanks
(Sorry if I don't make much sense today - my lil brother just finished uni today and been drinking all day to celebrate... lol).
Juk
05-20-2008
, 06:26 PM
05-21-2008
, 07:27 AM
Just to point out the version that most people got was an early draft and i released it well before it was ready so i could get a start on the stats. It has alot of mistakes including alot of grammatical errors as it hadnt been proof read at that point and dosent explain things clearly in some points but has since been revamped to correct these problems .
Ok i agree this can be confusing so i will make it as clear as possible at the start of the document.
The first part of the document focuses around pokeys PT3 guide which i link to in the document. All the information about each filter is available at that link and i didnt want to copy and paste hes work into my guide as it might be looked upon that i was trying to steal the credit for what is a really well writen guide. So i linked to the guide and i just provide the corresponding filters that will allow you to do the test in HM. As i said each section is explained in detail by poker for example:
I will however explain that people need to read the article for the explanation for each section. Also that colum isnt that useful and tbh we should know immediately by looking at our PFR and VPIP whether were in good shape or not but i just included it because it was part of pokeys guide.
Again these are all explained in pokeys guide but as i said ill make it clearer because a few people were confused by this. Also filters 9 and 10 had incorrect settings but ive since contacted people with the correct filters and have asked them to resubmit it. As again seen below section 5 and section 6 in my document correspond to section 5 and 6 in pokeys guide, im just providing filters that are compatible in Holdem Manager and i do provide explanations for all the filters i did myself.
Another good point i hadnt consider and i appreciate and comments or suggestions like this and ill have this ammended for the final release.
Im sure its possible with HM but i havent played around with the custom stats end of things. For all or at least most of the stats i will have a recommendation that will include what the average winning tags are recording and what the lowest and highest recordings were if the samples big enough for it to be applicable so you will see if your under or over performing.
In the case of the fuzz rule its really simple maths and i know i discussed this in the newer draft but maybe i didnt in the original one. Heres what i say about the fuzzrule in the document:
Using 200nl as an example, had we folded every single time we would have lost an average of $7 preflop and an average of $12 bet on the flop so that’s a total of $19 on average per hand which equates to -950bb/100.
In theory if we lose less than 950bb/100 over our sample we would be making an improvement on folding but some other things should be considered. We should be applying the fuzz rule and only folding the hands that aren’t strong so in reality we should only be calling here with strong hands that have good showdown value. If we have a negative return it means that were not folding enough weaker hands and paying people off light so in fact we should be making a profit when we call a raise here.
I presume its possible to use a custom stat that will offset the -950bb/100 stat so we know if were making a profit or loss when the -950bb/100 is taken into consideration since wed lose that if we folded but with this stat just because we lose less than 950bb/100 doesent mean were doing well, in fact if someone is not showing a positive number they have a leak and theyre obviously calling raises too light. This number shouldnt be showing any minuses really so by taking the -950bb into consideration peoples stats will probably be 1000bb/100+ on average instead of 0bb/100+ on average so i dont really see a great advantage in doing a custom stat to offset this when its obvious. I think the main thing thats important is that i can provide a recommendation of what your range been for eg 0bb/100 - 200bb/100 so we know anything above is good and anything below is a possible leak.
One important thing about this is you only get back what you put in. This will identify areas of your games that have leaks, if you dont scrutinize the hands in their to see where youve made mistakes then this document is useless to you. The idea is you review and identify what your leaks are and set yourself targets to improve, then after another 50k hands you review again and see have you plugged that leak.
Thanks Roy this will be handy
Just to confirm this will be free and available very soon. Unfortunately i havent had as much offers for beta testing as i would like and so although the original release will have ranges for most filters they may not be as reliable as i would have hoped but i doubt they will be too far away. Im off on holidays for about 3 weeks soon though and this document will be released before that but i expect that once this is properly released i should get alot more feedback which i can add to my research and upon return from my holiday i will add the new research and release and updated version.
So again anyone keep the offers coming for beta testing so i can improve the quality of the research.
Ill post up a short video in a while that highlights the usefullness of what this document offers. Its glaringly obvious though from the results that have been sent to me even from winning tags with 6bb/100+ rates over big samples that they even have big leaks so theres alot to be got from doing this review
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You need to clarify the difference between bb/100 and BB/100. Above you seem to indicate that you want "big blinds/100", which is bb/100 (lowercase). In HM, BB/100 is "big bets/100", or the equivalent of "ptbb" from PokerTracker 2. In the document you use BB/100, so if you want use to use big blind/100 then that needs to be spelled out more clearly and you need to change the references to use lowercase bb/100.
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- One of the columns for position stats is "Result (e.g. 0.75)." wtf does that mean? It's not a column in HM.
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Originally Posted by from pokeys PT3 Guide
1. Do you have sufficient preflop aggression? To answer this question, open up your ring game statistics and go to the "position stats" page. For each position other than the small blind, divide the "PF Raise %" by the "Vol. Put $ In Pot." If you get a number smaller than 0.5, you're not aggressive enough out of that position. See, aggression is a relative term; it should be a function of your level of looseness. You can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 12%, and you can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 30%, but only if you are sufficiently aggressive. My general guideline is that you should raise at least half the hands you play, from every position on the table.
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I have no idea what some of the numbers I'm being asked to find mean, or what a reasonable range for them is. I understand that for the second part you need to collect our data to know what a reasonable range is, but for the first part, an explanation of the filters would be helpful. Examples of things that left me clueless or general comments:
- Heads up raise/didn't raise
- Multi raise/didn't raise (btw the row titles don't make sense, you seem to have copied them from the attempt to steal filters?)
- Heads up raise/didn't raise
- Multi raise/didn't raise (btw the row titles don't make sense, you seem to have copied them from the attempt to steal filters?)
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5. Heads-up play. Click on “Turn Filter Off,” then click on “Filters…” again. Under “Hands With Between…Players Seeing The Flop” change the range from “0 to 10 players” to “2 to 2 players.” Hit “OK” and see what comes up. This shows you how you’ve done when you were heads-up preflop, but a flop was dealt. See how you’ve done in these situations. If things look OK, go back to “Filters…” and under “Pre-flop Raise” select “No Raise.” This will show you how you’ve done when you didn’t raise preflop, but the hand was heads-up on the flop (this includes pure limping and when someone ELSE raised preflop, but not when you were the preflop raiser). Is this number positive? If not, it could be an indicator that you have trouble when you are not the aggressor preflop, especially without padding in the pot.
6. Multiway pots. Clear the filter and go back under filters. Change “Hands With Between…Players Seeing The Flop” to “3 to 10 players.” This shows you how you do in multiway pots. If things look good, go back and select “No Raise” under “Pre-flop Raise.” Is it still positive? If so, you’re selecting good times to play/limp multiway pots, and you’re playing them well postflop.
6. Multiway pots. Clear the filter and go back under filters. Change “Hands With Between…Players Seeing The Flop” to “3 to 10 players.” This shows you how you do in multiway pots. If things look good, go back and select “No Raise” under “Pre-flop Raise.” Is it still positive? If so, you’re selecting good times to play/limp multiway pots, and you’re playing them well postflop.
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The connector filters should be modified to include only smaller SCs/UCs, as my results with KQs or AKo have nothing to do with whether or not I'm playing 87s or 98o very well
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The fuzz rule stuff: I'd recommend writing a custom stat or report or something (no idea how hard this is in HM or whether it's possible but def look into it) to compare the difference between your results and what your results would have been if you folded. It's hard to look at a number like -800bb/100 and glean anything from it because for all you know, you were running at -1000bb/100 if you folded to every raise so you're actually doing a decent job deciding when to continue with a hand against a raise.
In the case of the fuzz rule its really simple maths and i know i discussed this in the newer draft but maybe i didnt in the original one. Heres what i say about the fuzzrule in the document:
Using 200nl as an example, had we folded every single time we would have lost an average of $7 preflop and an average of $12 bet on the flop so that’s a total of $19 on average per hand which equates to -950bb/100.
In theory if we lose less than 950bb/100 over our sample we would be making an improvement on folding but some other things should be considered. We should be applying the fuzz rule and only folding the hands that aren’t strong so in reality we should only be calling here with strong hands that have good showdown value. If we have a negative return it means that were not folding enough weaker hands and paying people off light so in fact we should be making a profit when we call a raise here.
I presume its possible to use a custom stat that will offset the -950bb/100 stat so we know if were making a profit or loss when the -950bb/100 is taken into consideration since wed lose that if we folded but with this stat just because we lose less than 950bb/100 doesent mean were doing well, in fact if someone is not showing a positive number they have a leak and theyre obviously calling raises too light. This number shouldnt be showing any minuses really so by taking the -950bb into consideration peoples stats will probably be 1000bb/100+ on average instead of 0bb/100+ on average so i dont really see a great advantage in doing a custom stat to offset this when its obvious. I think the main thing thats important is that i can provide a recommendation of what your range been for eg 0bb/100 - 200bb/100 so we know anything above is good and anything below is a possible leak.
One important thing about this is you only get back what you put in. This will identify areas of your games that have leaks, if you dont scrutinize the hands in their to see where youve made mistakes then this document is useless to you. The idea is you review and identify what your leaks are and set yourself targets to improve, then after another 50k hands you review again and see have you plugged that leak.
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Morny, I'll help you out with some custom stats to make this kind of things easier. Add this to your customstat file in your reports folder
<Stat ColumnName="VPIPPFRResult" ValueExpressions="sum(case when didvpip = true then 1 else 0 end) as VPIPHands;sum(case when didpfr = true then 1 else 0 end) as PFRHands;" Evaluate="PFRHands/1.0/VPIPHands" ColumnHeader="VP|PFR Result" ColumnFormat="0.00" ColumnWidth="61" Tooltip="% of times you raise vs call preflop" />
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<Stat ColumnName="VPIPPFRResult" ValueExpressions="sum(case when didvpip = true then 1 else 0 end) as VPIPHands;sum(case when didpfr = true then 1 else 0 end) as PFRHands;" Evaluate="PFRHands/1.0/VPIPHands" ColumnHeader="VP|PFR Result" ColumnFormat="0.00" ColumnWidth="61" Tooltip="% of times you raise vs call preflop" />
rvg
Just to confirm this will be free and available very soon. Unfortunately i havent had as much offers for beta testing as i would like and so although the original release will have ranges for most filters they may not be as reliable as i would have hoped but i doubt they will be too far away. Im off on holidays for about 3 weeks soon though and this document will be released before that but i expect that once this is properly released i should get alot more feedback which i can add to my research and upon return from my holiday i will add the new research and release and updated version.
So again anyone keep the offers coming for beta testing so i can improve the quality of the research.
Ill post up a short video in a while that highlights the usefullness of what this document offers. Its glaringly obvious though from the results that have been sent to me even from winning tags with 6bb/100+ rates over big samples that they even have big leaks so theres alot to be got from doing this review
05-21-2008
, 12:52 PM
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Hi,
I will be releasing an article fairly soon which is basically a 26 page document that concentrates on plugging leaks using Holdem Manager.
For anyone that dosent already know there is a feature which allows you to configure a detailed report like "where we call a 3bet with AQ TT+ and go to showdown and the pot isnt either a 3bet pot or a limped pot. I can then save this filter and you just load it and it changes all the settings.
Theres about 85 areas i concentrate on and each has a filter like i described above. When i say 85 there could be 15 filters for 3betting and 15 for flush draws as the filters cover both basic and detailed things for e.g 1 filter might cover just calling a 3bet, another might be where they called a 3bet with a certain range of hands and went to showdown.
Each general section like 3betting,blinds,Double Barrelling, calling flop raises with different hand strength ranges etc has a short peice on how i recommend to play which is probably only relevant to Micro and Small Stakes players but its there nonetheless. For each filter it has an area for you to enter your results and what your goals are for this area as in does it need to be improved etc with the idea being you assess where your leaks are and then in 1 month or x amount of hands later you review again but probably concentrate on the areas which werent up to scratch the last review and see if theyve improved and if not then spend some time finding why the leak still exists.
For each filter i have already configured all the settings, you just need to go to Load filters and select the filter and just press refresh and review your results and enter them into the word document either by print or typing it in whichever is handiest.
Im also doing some research where ill be compiling winning TAGs statitistics with big samples so i can try and get some averages of what people who are winning are achieving and so for each filter i hope to have a range that if your playing well you should be in so you can see if your performing below or above average for each filter.
Of course different styles of play will have varying results like an aggressive double barreller and a passive double barreller but for the most part these estimated ranges should be very helpful. It should also help to find leaks that people just dont notice or see when posting HH and alot of work went into configuring the filters. Obviously with any stats reviews it needs a big sample to let the variance even out so no point in doing this with 10k hands.
So as ive said this will be made available to the public free of charge soon but i need lots of people to test it first so i can compile all the data and then i can recommend ranges for each filter and relase the full version. This will not require you to hand over any HH whatsoever, all you need to do is run the filter and record your results. I will have no link to you because ill only have your stats and no username or HH's so i cant use the information to gain any advantage and all the information will only be used for research purposes.
I have been in contact with Roy from HM about this and hes agreed to come on here just to verify my integrity, he has seen the document himself.
So if anyone would like to test this for me and return their results can you please pm with your email address so i can forward you the document. I dont post on 2+2 very often so im not sure if you can send documents via PM if thats possible i can do that either if you dont want to disclose your email.
To qualify you must be a winning TAG playing 50nl+ and have at least 50k hands for review. Please let me know this in the PM.
Lastly ill attach a screenshot of just 1 area to give you an idea of what to expect.
I will be releasing an article fairly soon which is basically a 26 page document that concentrates on plugging leaks using Holdem Manager.
For anyone that dosent already know there is a feature which allows you to configure a detailed report like "where we call a 3bet with AQ TT+ and go to showdown and the pot isnt either a 3bet pot or a limped pot. I can then save this filter and you just load it and it changes all the settings.
Theres about 85 areas i concentrate on and each has a filter like i described above. When i say 85 there could be 15 filters for 3betting and 15 for flush draws as the filters cover both basic and detailed things for e.g 1 filter might cover just calling a 3bet, another might be where they called a 3bet with a certain range of hands and went to showdown.
Each general section like 3betting,blinds,Double Barrelling, calling flop raises with different hand strength ranges etc has a short peice on how i recommend to play which is probably only relevant to Micro and Small Stakes players but its there nonetheless. For each filter it has an area for you to enter your results and what your goals are for this area as in does it need to be improved etc with the idea being you assess where your leaks are and then in 1 month or x amount of hands later you review again but probably concentrate on the areas which werent up to scratch the last review and see if theyve improved and if not then spend some time finding why the leak still exists.
For each filter i have already configured all the settings, you just need to go to Load filters and select the filter and just press refresh and review your results and enter them into the word document either by print or typing it in whichever is handiest.
Im also doing some research where ill be compiling winning TAGs statitistics with big samples so i can try and get some averages of what people who are winning are achieving and so for each filter i hope to have a range that if your playing well you should be in so you can see if your performing below or above average for each filter.
Of course different styles of play will have varying results like an aggressive double barreller and a passive double barreller but for the most part these estimated ranges should be very helpful. It should also help to find leaks that people just dont notice or see when posting HH and alot of work went into configuring the filters. Obviously with any stats reviews it needs a big sample to let the variance even out so no point in doing this with 10k hands.
So as ive said this will be made available to the public free of charge soon but i need lots of people to test it first so i can compile all the data and then i can recommend ranges for each filter and relase the full version. This will not require you to hand over any HH whatsoever, all you need to do is run the filter and record your results. I will have no link to you because ill only have your stats and no username or HH's so i cant use the information to gain any advantage and all the information will only be used for research purposes.
I have been in contact with Roy from HM about this and hes agreed to come on here just to verify my integrity, he has seen the document himself.
So if anyone would like to test this for me and return their results can you please pm with your email address so i can forward you the document. I dont post on 2+2 very often so im not sure if you can send documents via PM if thats possible i can do that either if you dont want to disclose your email.
To qualify you must be a winning TAG playing 50nl+ and have at least 50k hands for review. Please let me know this in the PM.
Lastly ill attach a screenshot of just 1 area to give you an idea of what to expect.
Heres a video explanation for anyone too busy to read all above
Ok Heres the link for a small presentation that explains what this document is about without you having to read everything. Bare in mind this only covers 1 small area and other areas covered in detail include:
Position UTG,SB etc
Suited Connectors
Multiway Pots
Pocket Pairs
Called a flop raise
Called a turn raise
Flush Draws
Straight Draws
3betting
4betting
Calling 3bets
Double Barrelling
Blinds
Heres the link to the .wmv video
http://www.whiteswancafe.com/HoldemM...LeaksIntro.wmv
05-21-2008
, 01:26 PM
Facts:
1) Morny is a genius
2) Holdem Manager is incredibly powerful
3) I wish Morny would charge thousands for this, so others wouldn't see it.
4) I suck at poker
-----------Kitty
4.1) I'm gonna get A LOT better, I'm xKittyLiquor on PS. All you can eat baby!
1) Morny is a genius
2) Holdem Manager is incredibly powerful
3) I wish Morny would charge thousands for this, so others wouldn't see it.
4) I suck at poker
-----------Kitty
4.1) I'm gonna get A LOT better, I'm xKittyLiquor on PS. All you can eat baby!