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07-14-2006 , 10:02 PM
It's not working for me.
When I try to "Test Connection," I get...

"Test connection failed because of an error in initializing provider. Unspecified error"

Solution?
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07-14-2006 , 10:10 PM
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It's not working for me.
When I try to "Test Connection," I get...

"Test connection failed because of an error in initializing provider. Unspecified error"

Solution?
Hey there, I can help you solve that, but I'll need a bit more information.

Are you using a SQL or normal Access database from PokerTracker? Can you put up a screenshot of your Datalink Properties Window (right click, select pokertracker database...)

Get back to me with this info and I should be able to help.
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07-14-2006 , 10:13 PM
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I'm getting the popup "Scored x Tables and y Players" and the log shows "Scoring Tables" and then "Scoring Finished". I doublechecked that the "Custom scoring" was unchecked, and still no luck.

It's definitely seeing the PokerTracker db, because it's pulling in the stats on the people I have played with. Any other ideas?

Another thing that would be nice is the ability to hide full tables.
I may know your problem - are you searching for 6max limit tables?
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07-14-2006 , 10:23 PM
Yes, I play 6max exclusively. Any way to get this to work?
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07-14-2006 , 10:40 PM
By the way, everybody. There will be 2 people using this account to offer customer support. And there are 2 people working on the Sixth Sense project.

I'm Dan. I dropped out of Purdue University (Computer Science Major) two years ago to play poker full time. My win rate has always been mediocre, but I made up for it by playing a ridiculous amount of tables. (during these 2 years, I've played well over 1 million hands) I manage the server side of Sixth Sense - so if you're getting an outdated server list, its my fault . My poker career began in these forums - this is where my roots are.

Ben is a part-time poker player, full time programmer. He's been programming for 14 years of his life and he knows his sh**! These forums, oddly enough, are where we met and exchanged the first ideas about Sixth Sense.

Ben usually handles the technical side of things, so you probably wont see as much of him as you will of me.

So if you see Sixth Sense with two different writing styles and personalities - That's why.

Later all, i'm off to bed
-Dan
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07-14-2006 , 10:50 PM
I'm using a SQL database.

Here's the screenshot.

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07-14-2006 , 10:59 PM
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Yes, I play 6max exclusively. Any way to get this to work?
kaf22, Sorry, we don't have any built in rules for 6-max Limit yet, but we will soon, probably at most 2-3 days from now. We do have rules currently for full limit, full NL, and 6-max NL.

-Ben
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07-14-2006 , 11:00 PM
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I'm using a SQL database.

Here's the screenshot.

That Location field looks highly suspect, I think that's the cause of the problem. Could you post a screen shot from PT where you pulled that from?

-Ben
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07-14-2006 , 11:46 PM
You are right. THe Location was wrong.

But I still can't make it work. The Test Connection works,
but I can't Refresh. It still looks like the screenshot.

What am I missing here?
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07-15-2006 , 12:15 AM
I am having problems with my configuring my databases.

I am using Access, and I have 3 databases, which PokerTracker refers to (by DSN) as ptrack.mdb, ptrack4.mdb, and ptrack8.mdb .

SixthSense offers me the following options for connecting databases: PTRACK, PTRACK2, PTRACK3, PTRACK4, PTRACK5, and a whole host of other names which are nothing like these. I have tried connecting various databases, various combinations, and even all of them together (using the multiple database option), and it still only shows a few hands on a few players (perhaps this is because it is linking an old database rather than a relevant one?).

Any suggestions?

P.S. sorry for my layman ablities. =[
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07-15-2006 , 05:03 AM
is there a way to put averages of say PFR and VPIP on the table list ?
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07-15-2006 , 08:40 AM
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You are right. THe Location was wrong.

But I still can't make it work. The Test Connection works,
but I can't Refresh. It still looks like the screenshot.

What am I missing here?
I think just try restarting SixthSense. You should be able to refresh then.
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07-15-2006 , 08:43 AM
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I am having problems with my configuring my databases.

I am using Access, and I have 3 databases, which PokerTracker refers to (by DSN) as ptrack.mdb, ptrack4.mdb, and ptrack8.mdb .

SixthSense offers me the following options for connecting databases: PTRACK, PTRACK2, PTRACK3, PTRACK4, PTRACK5, and a whole host of other names which are nothing like these. I have tried connecting various databases, various combinations, and even all of them together (using the multiple database option), and it still only shows a few hands on a few players (perhaps this is because it is linking an old database rather than a relevant one?).

Any suggestions?

P.S. sorry for my layman ablities. =[
Here's another way to try it. Use windows explorer to open up to your PokerTracker folder, and find all of your .MDB files (these are your database files). The biggest ones will have the most data.

Next use SixthSense to connect to those databases. But instead of using ODBC, you want to use the Access driver. On the "Provider" tab, select "Microsoft Jet 4.0 OLE DB Provider". Then on the Connection Tab, use the "..." button to locate the .MDB database file you found before. Use Test Connection to make sure it works. That way you can find all of the correct databases.
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07-15-2006 , 08:43 AM
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is there a way to put averages of say PFR and VPIP on the table list ?
Yes, that's a feature we'll put on our to-do list. I imagine we'd make that an option.
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07-15-2006 , 11:48 AM
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SixthSense -- looks very cool. Could you give a quick FAQ on how to create custom scoring rules? Thanks!
Hey there cts - your wish is my command

Custom Scoring

Enjoy

-Dan
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07-15-2006 , 12:05 PM
Once again, I'm very interested in the program but the need to transfer data to the server is preventing me from trying this software out.

From the limited research I've done the program:

1. Server scans poker clients
2. Server pulls data from my local PT database.
3. Server scores tables.

Why cant an option be to:

1. Server scans poker clients
2. Local machine downloads table list compiled by server (manually or automatically)
3. Local machine scores tables using PT db.

At least with this method I am assured that NO INFORMATION is transfered from my computer to your server. It also allows the option to never need to connect to the server with a manual download option.

The majority of your potential customer base is going to have enough computer resources to run this application without any problems. I could care less about this. On the other hand, none of us can scan all the poker clients, etc. Leave that to the server and let us do our own thing...

Best regards,

APerfect10
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07-15-2006 , 12:23 PM
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Once again, I'm very interested in the program but the need to transfer data to the server is preventing me from trying this software out.

From the limited research I've done the program:

1. Server scans poker clients
2. Server pulls data from my local PT database.
3. Server scores tables.

Why cant an option be to:

1. Server scans poker clients
2. Local machine downloads table list compiled by server (manually or automatically)
3. Local machine scores tables using PT db.

At least with this method I am assured that NO INFORMATION is transfered from my computer to your server. It also allows the option to never need to connect to the server with a manual download option.

The majority of your potential customer base is going to have enough computer resources to run this application without any problems. I could care less about this. On the other hand, none of us can scan all the poker clients, etc. Leave that to the server and let us do our own thing...

Best regards,

APerfect10
I'm sorry, i wish i'd made it more clear. When working on a project like this for an extended period time, it's a little hard to break everything down to a new user level.

But the good news is - Sixth sense does exactly what you said you wanted it to do.

"1. Server scans poker clients
2. Local machine downloads table list compiled by server (manually or automatically)
3. Local machine scores tables using PT db."

These are the exact functions of Sixth Sense

Give it a shot, I bet you'll like it

-Dan
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07-15-2006 , 12:35 PM
Well thats good to hear. Now my only problem is that your definition of manually and want I would like is different. I would want a file I could download manaully via your website (not via a refresh button) so that I do not have to allow SixthSense to access the internet. I can access the internet myself Understand my concern?

It shouldnt take much more work to implement this...
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07-15-2006 , 12:39 PM
SixthSense -- the new version is very cool, very quick, and very useful. The buddy list and custom scoring make the program much more useable. Thanks for the custom scoring tutorial.
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07-15-2006 , 12:52 PM
It actually would be more complicated than you think.

This is Ben's cup-o-tea, but I'll explain it best I can.

The list you're downloading isn't just a giant txt file. It WAS a giant txt file, but the server chops it up and separates each table. (which i believe are all separate files) The server does this...oh...about every 30 seconds, and that's just for PartyPoker.

It would technically be possible to get the raw txt and do all of that server work on the client, but then our bandwidth would get sucked up about 10x the speed it used to, more CPU load on the client end, we'd have to worry about offering tech support for this function, etc etc.


Unfortunately, a 100% client side version is not high on our priority list. I hope some day we're reputable enough to put your mind at ease...or that someone comes in and verifies that nothing wrong is going on in our software.

I completely understand your concern, I just wish I had some way to prove that we arent up to no-good

If you do work up the nerve to give it a try, come on back with any questions/critiques you may have.

Thanks,
-Dan
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07-15-2006 , 01:02 PM
It takes about 5 min of code to merge a bunch of csv files. Lets say I only want $5/10 & $10/20 NL. A merged csv file would be extremely small. Honestly, this is not a valid concern IMHO.

Regarding bandwidth, I call BS. First, a manual download is going to happen very infrequently in comparison to an automatic download via the program. Second, you are already transferring the data to the local machine (as you confirmed above) so you are not using any extra bandwidth.

Lastly, as many people that have concerns about this and your reluctance to accept a SixthSense program that does not need internet access seems very odd to me. Add in the unbased excused above are not helping your reputation at all; quite the contrary. If you really want a boost for your reputation implement these small additions and not only will your reputation improve your consumer base will as well.
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07-15-2006 , 01:13 PM
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It takes about 5 min of code to merge a bunch of csv files. Lets say I only want $5/10 & $10/20 NL. A merged csv file would be extremely small. Honestly, this is not a valid concern IMHO.

Regarding bandwidth, I call BS. First, a manual download is going to happen very infrequently in comparison to an automatic download via the program. Second, you are already transferring the data to the local machine (as you confirmed above) so you are not using any extra bandwidth.

Lastly, as many people that have concerns about this and your reluctance to accept a SixthSense program that does not need internet access seems very odd to me. Add in the unbased excused above are not helping your reputation at all; quite the contrary. If you really want a boost for your reputation implement these small additions and not only will your reputation improve your consumer base will as well.
Whoa...

Like I said, this is Ben's side of the system. I explained it best I could. Its possible that my explaination is wrong - I am a very mediocre programmer.

I dont want to get myself into any more trouble, so i'll let Ben look at these posts whenever he gets back from lunch. I'm sure he'll do a better job of explaining it.

-Dan

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-Just to clarify, there are no automatic downloads. It downloads tables when you click the refresh button, and sends nothing the rest of the time.

And as a side note - you seem to be very computer savvy, and also extremely critical of our program. If you are able to, and feel like spending the time - Install it on a computer without sensitive information, tear the thing apart, and report any findings of malicious activity.
I guarantee there are none.
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07-15-2006 , 01:34 PM
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It takes about 5 min of code to merge a bunch of csv files. Lets say I only want $5/10 & $10/20 NL. A merged csv file would be extremely small. Honestly, this is not a valid concern IMHO.

Regarding bandwidth, I call BS. First, a manual download is going to happen very infrequently in comparison to an automatic download via the program. Second, you are already transferring the data to the local machine (as you confirmed above) so you are not using any extra bandwidth.

Lastly, as many people that have concerns about this and your reluctance to accept a SixthSense program that does not need internet access seems very odd to me. Add in the unbased excused above are not helping your reputation at all; quite the contrary. If you really want a boost for your reputation implement these small additions and not only will your reputation improve your consumer base will as well.
Whoa...

Like I said, this is Ben's side of the system. I explained it best I could. Its possible that my explaination is wrong - I am a very mediocre programmer.

I dont want to get myself into any more trouble, so i'll let Ben look at these posts whenever he gets back from lunch. I'm sure he'll do a better job of explaining it.

-Dan

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-Just to clarify, there are no automatic downloads. It downloads tables when you click the refresh button, and sends nothing the rest of the time.

And as a side note - you seem to be very computer savvy, and also extremely critical of our program. If you are able to, and feel like spending the time - Install it on a computer without sensitive information, tear the thing apart, and report any findings of malicious activity.
I guarantee there are none.
I think alot of people are very paranoid after the RBCalc thing, but I'd just like to say that if Ben Ziegler (the creator of PokerManager [which I trust and choose to use rather than PT]) is behind this, then I would not be worried about security breaches.

Ben has already written alot of decent poker software IMO, and if people are so worried about this then they should be just as worried about PT, PO or PAHUD security (ie: the "phantom sleeper packets" 1 year after instalation type argument can be applied to them just as easy...).

On a side note, if people are interested in watching what data applications are sending, then you can always use PacketMon (it's free) to have a look (assuming no encryption or compression...).

Juk
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07-15-2006 , 01:43 PM
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I think alot of people are very paranoid after the RBCalc thing, but I'd just like to say that if Ben Ziegler (the creator of PokerManager [which I trust and choose to use rather than PT]) is behind this, then I would not be worried about security breaches.

Ben has already written alot of decent poker software IMO, and if people are so worried about this then they should be just as worried about PT, PO or PAHUD security (ie: the "phantom sleeper packets" 1 year after instalation type argument can be applied to them just as easy...).

There is quite a big difference here. The above mentioned programs have a VERY large customer base, have been around for a very long time and at least in PT & PAH's (I dont use PO) they do not NEED to connect to the internet to operate; connection is optional. They also have much more to lose by being a rogue program...
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07-15-2006 , 01:44 PM
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Well thats good to hear. Now my only problem is that your definition of manually and want I would like is different. I would want a file I could download manaully via your website (not via a refresh button) so that I do not have to allow SixthSense to access the internet. I can access the internet myself Understand my concern?

It shouldnt take much more work to implement this...
APerfect10, we might be able to do something like that in the future. But for now, you could just install & run SixthSense using a user-level account (not an admin-level account). You could run PartyPoker in your original account, and just switch user over to the SS account to get the tables you need. By isolating SS to a newly created user-level account, you cut it off from seeing any other information/files on your computer.

Our reasons for doing it this way are not malicious. We currently don't have an SSL certificate on our server, so we had to use our own encryption. We are using encryption because we want to keep the Username/Password safe, and we also want to keep our table list safe on the way down (and only be usable in our application). The only information sent to our server is: UserName, Password, Version, Desired Table Types, Desired Seat Types, and Cookie (session token).

-Ben, Sixth Sense developer

P.S. I just read Juk's message. Thanks Juk.
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