talk about a wall of multi part quotes

looks like it's dictator week at 2p2

Buzz,

I've insulted a lot of folks on the O8 board. I've never been banned or pointed or whatever happened to 1016. I didn't find his post insulting, but even if I had, I'm intelligent enough to understand what he was getting at in his thread. In the end, he didn't flame anyone, didn't make it personal between another poster. In the end, he made a post with his personal feelings about O8 and poker as they relate to each other in the current context of the online game. Punishing someone for speaking their mind on the internet in a non-profane way? Wow. You really overstepped, IMHO.

1016 was only one voice among others. There was some truth in what he said and some not true. I would be prepared to go into debate. And I'm a person who thinks limit O8 is close to the only game worth playing (for me), because I may ultimately get good at it. It's in a way easy, but difficult in a way that suits me as a hand in a glove.

I'm going to grad school in the fall and I really hope no one asks me to analyze a block of paragraphs like Buzz just did. I'm very impressed but a little frightened by how meticulous it is.

Buzz, you need to give the players on this board a little room to think for themselves. I understand what 1016 was trying to say (I think). If his tone was a little abrasive, so what. We're all adults here who have presumably made it through some nasty teasing and probably some all out bullying in grade school and high school. I think you need to give us credit as intelligent readers that we can separate out the good from the bad ourselves. He didn't verbally attack anyone personally.

If nothing else, this has been a rough few weeks for those of us that depended on internet poker. That alone should be enough reason to rescind any infraction points. He apologized. Cut the man some slack.

+1

I don't feel like reading all that. But I will say debating about the nature of a certain game in the context of the people who play it is part of what this forum is about. If certain people happen to be offended, then they should well... I'm too lazy to explain, so just watch this .

To answer 1016, you may be right that in some regard than at average player can profit in PLO8 just by sitting on hands or what not. But in my experience culminating in just playing O8, I was profitable in Limit/NL holdem, PL omaha, cash, tournaments and sngos. I settled on O8 strictly because the bankroll, variance, competition, and profitability could not be matched by any other game. That is, I was successful at 1/2 to 3/6 NL holdem, omaha, and finally O8 over the past 6-7 years. But nothing matched the bb/100 of O8. That is because, in my opinion, it is not a solved game, and is much more complex than you may make it out to be.

The short answer to the rest, is that no one could see this coming. Personally, I was never in it for the long run, as I planned to be at grad school. Perfecting another game would have cut into my O8 hours, and thus would not have been profitable for me. I'm sure many holdem/omaha regs are in the same boat.

Or, in summary, bring on the hate. That's the advantage of being in a country (and I guess a forum) that allows free speech. For example, some people were apparently offended by Ai Weiwei. Let's not turn this into a place where you have to take down christmas trees cause the kwanzaa celebrators were offended, or where kids can't play tag anymore cause being it is a bad thing, or where every kid in little league gets the same size trophy.

Got a new puter and haven't downloaded cake yet, anyone know if they put the guarantees back on the $5r plo and plo8 tourneys that run about noonish CST? Use to totally crush those 2 tourneys including win both the same day...

Also, plo and plo8 cash on cake has always been soft, just a crap shoot finding them running...

lol...but no poker

coming from a player whose favorite poker game is o8, I believe what 1016 expressed should be perfectly allowable on a message board discussing the game.

As soon as we start eliminating the opinions of those with certain ways of thought, we lose the diversity that should be strived for when attempting to learn through collective brainstorm.

Agreed. Could 1016's initial comment been worded better? Of course, but the truth is anyone with aspirations to make it big realized there is a limited upside in plo8 no matter how good you were.

Power tripping moderators. I for one completely agree with him. But that is besides the point. It was his interpretation, his thoughts. Who are you to say he is wrong? He did not insult anyone, he laid out the truth. If you disagree so be it. You are wrong but whatever. No one is censoring you. Giving him a ban for this is absurd. Go do something useful.

For a player wanting to make the most money possible they would only choose o8 if they were incapable of beating other games. Why? There is limited room for growth. The top earners in nlhe and plo earn far more than top earners in plo8. What 1016 said was just common sense.

I don't see what the big deal is! We were way overdue for another exciting episode of 'Buzz is gonna Buzz'.................

But yeah, anyone who ever attempted to play O8 to make money knew exactly what 1016 was talking about. Nothing wrong w/ a healthy dose of reality once in a while, even around here!

LOL at banning 1016. Honestly most 08 regs suck even at o8, and I highly doubt they could compete at the higher stakes of plo or nlhe.

I have no idea where I stand on the spectrum, but I kind of fell into o8 and had to keep playing to pay bills. I would have changed everything If I could. I still have to keep playing o8 to pay bills, but hopefully when I'm back on my feet ill be able to pick up nlhe again.

ATLEAST WERE NOT RAZZ GRINDERS?
(ive devoted the last couple years solely to grinding o8)

If i were to advise any young grinders, I would tell them to avoid the small player pools and limited ceilings of o8 and mixed games. average nlhe / plo players make fistfulls more than the best o8 / mixed game pros.

lol at buzz banning that guy what a joke.... Oh wait am I hope i dont get banned for questioning the allmighty buzz

Ok guys at this point youre just being rude....Buzz took the comment a certain way and made a judgement to temp ban the guy but he also listened to others when they said he didnt mean to be rude. You guys act like he was life banned. He took the ban away early at the advice of a user...that doesnt sound like hes trying to be the "almighty buzz"

the topic of the thread is "Where are US O8 players going to play now?" which IMO is an important topic that we shouldnt derail.

on topic: ive tried Bodog, Merge, and Cake since black friday...here is what ive found:

Bodog- Crappy software, max 4 tables, if playing more than 2 tables the site lags like crazy, limited traffic, and no rakeback

Merge- Has the most traffic of any US site but the software is HORRIBLE. An example of how bad the software on merge is: i could play upto 16 tables at a time on stars with little problems and on merge i struggle with 4....Merge has 35% rakeback paid daily which i dont like because it doesnt seem like youre getting anything when it comes daily. Personally id rather get 1 lump sum a week or month

Cake- Traffic is slow. The software is the best of the 3. 33% rakeback using the dealt method (for most regs it adds up to much more than 35% on merge)

Overall i think merge is the best option for someone looking to multitable and cake has the best software and rakeback by far.

Hpe this helps a little even though i know most of this is common knowledge

shaun, thank you for that. Those are things I did not know. I have tried merge but I have not been happy with it. Cant play more than 4 tables and the sng's are horrible. Its nearly impossible for me to get more than 2 o8 tables going. Plus I dont like how they have the sng "BOP" . I dont like the formula they use.

Shaun, good post, in all respects. Thanks for the opinions on the sites.

you might want to try Bodog...their Om8 SnGs have a good structure...i just couldnt deal with all the lagging. It reminded me of when i used to have dial-up and tried to play poker while downloading porn...i mean music...lol

In my experience neither site has enough sngs running in plo8 nlo8 to grind sngs even combining the two sites. For sng grinders like me and shaun its time to cash table multi-sites. Bodogs plo8 is really loose and high ev but 4 tables max and thats about all that runs at my stakes. Im gonna be 4 tabling bodog while 4-6 tabling lock.

I find locks grid system to be a really cool way to mult table. The 2 things I dont like about lock is 1. no changing table color( i think) 2. I miss the color coordinating/search player feature from pokerstars.

Pretty good multi on Cake...Very tough Heads up opponent...took getting lucky twice to beat AJB444 but ill take the win.

Nice I had just started a 20mtt a day routine before black friday. Hope lock and bodog get some good plo8 tournies.

Shaun, since you are playing at these smaller sites, I want to ask some questions:

1. Do you trust the software?
1.1 Do you trust the poker site itself?
2. How are they in regards to cashouts?
3. How are the options for playing cash games from say, PL25-400, Limit1/2-15/30?

Thanks in advance for any info..

-wack

I dont trust Bodog software.....it seems to lose connection quite easily and ive never had problems with disconnection anywhere else. The sit n gos are a very nice structure but you will spend a good deal of time waiting for them to fill. I trust the site just because you know who owns it (Calvin Ayre)...i think he would loook really bad if he stole from his customers. I havent cashed out since black friday but if i remember correctly they only allow 1 check per month. Stakes run from .02/.05 plo8 to 1/2plo8 regularly with higher running sometimes. Play is very soft.

Merge needs to fix the timedown alarm because it isnt very loud. The filters suck because you cant filter by buy in. YOu wont lose connection but it just not setup properly. The play seems to be the toughest of any American site left. I trust the site because they have been very straightfoward with their responses in the internet poker forums. Plus they are advertising hard which makes me believe they dont have intentions of going anywhere. Cashouts are slow from what ive heard...they sometimes take a month. Stakes run regularly from .02/.05 to 1/3 plo8(strange how the small blind is $1)

Cake has great software IMO. I have trouble trusting the company because you dont know anyone in charge and there isnt anyone you can contact from the company on 2+2 (bodog and merge have a site representative on 2+2). Cashouts are the slowest of the 3 and can sometimes take 2 months to recieve but usually around a month. Cash games run from .02/.04 to .25/.50 plo8 regularly with some .50/1 plo8 action with soft tables.

Right now i suggest that anyone who wants to play just deposit a small amount and challenge yourself to run it up.

As for limit om8...i hate to say it but limit omaha 8 is dead for US players right now.