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i noticed the 6 max Om8 sit n gos are starting to fill on carbon poker but mostly at the $2 level...hopefully they will take off and by the end of the month some $10+ ones will be running

the $5 10-mans on bogod seem to run somewhat towards the end of the evening.

I cant handle the software there.

Max 4 tables at a time and when you run more than 2 tables at a time the software LAGS like crazy.

tru dat, it's pretty bad. Was it always lagging or just recently. I assumed it was b/c of an influx of players, and higher than usual traffic, and that their current servers don't have the adequate capacity...

thailand? not sure yet

anyone else leaving the country?

if your downside is low and you are young, fo sho, do it! if nothing else, you'll have a blast and great memories.

I started playing Merge a few days ago, Only $2's were running like you said. In the last few days however, $5's are becoming more regular, and I got in my first $11 today.

No doubt volume gonna boom, but I think for now most players are either:
-scared to deposit on "rogue" sites in fear of shadiness/gov't hijack
-are limited in their deposit options, don't necessarily want to make a $100 min deposit, and are waiting for the p2p market to pick up.

So maybe another 2-4 weeks I think we'll see a large player pool increase in o8 on Merge.

what deposit method did you use.

Yeah I think a lot of us are waiting to make a deposit on any of these sites. I'm going on vacation soon so hopefully in 2-3 weeks everything will clear up and we can find some way to continue playing.

Cash Transfer via WU

Is it worth it to leave, games seem pretty dead...

I took two weeks off to go to Dallas and this is what I come back to. Boohoo to the idiots who run our country. Any good news on getting cash out of FTP or Stars?

Finding real work again doesn't sound enjoyable, maybe I can convince the Rivers in Pittsburgh to start spreading O8...

pokerstars is allowing cash outs now

FTP still fuxxored?

tldr cliffs: o8 has never been worth it

obv the answer to ur question is dependent on a ton of different factors, but i'll just address the games being dead part

do u think u are capable of learning to play a game other than o8?

if u are intelligent and willing to walk away from a game that u already can beat in order to learn a new one (and u are trying to make money), then it has always been a mistake to focus on o8

not criticizing, i obv feel i made the same mistake

o8 is really only the correct game for people who just aren't good enough to become strong players in other forms of poker (even then it is prob the wrong choice)

some people have stumbled into a strategy that can beat the incredibly weak low-limit competition and have tried other games but failed when they were unable to stumble into a winning strategy

some are lazy

some have just found their niche and realize this is the best place for them, and good for them if so, but this is not (and never will be) the best game to focus your energy on if u feel u are capable of playing poker at a high level and are interested in long-term success

i'm sure some will disagree. hopefully i didn't offend anyone

to those that are walking away, gg for now. if u are pushing (or stumbling?) forward, gl

i almost clicked away from posting this, but i can't see the downside. i can't see much of an upside either, but maybe someone smart will respond/PM or something

i'll be at the o8 tables when i get out of the country, at least until i remember how to click buttons again. will start games w/ u if u decide to leave (or w/ anyone else)

*obv exception: o8 to strengthen mixed game. which is also the good news. u only have 7+ more games to learn

With that statement you trash everyone who enjoys playing Omaha-8 and everyone who posts on this forum. With that statement you have insulted us all.

That would perhaps have been a better choice.

The downside of making the post to which I'm responding is you're about to get a three day suspension from participating in 2+2 forums plus a point penalty that will stay with you for a while. And if you come back on this forum and make an out of line post again, you'll be permanently banned.

You evidently don't see the downside of moving to Thailand either, but there's no penalty for that.

Me neither.

Buzz
as moderator

I have been playing Double or Nothing sit n gos on Cake and winning a little....i sure wish they would get PLO8 DoNs

why was this guy banned? i almost feel bad for him.

For the post you quoted.

Specifically from the "Please read this before posting and FAQ" sticky at the top of the forum:

• "Very simple guidelines for the benefit of everyone.
  
  a) Please be polite and courteous to other posters in open posts on this forum

I don't think it's polite to tell our posters they "just aren't good enough to become strong players in other forms of poker."

However, I just got a pm from a poster I respect and he had a different take on 1016's post. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it. Accordingly, as soon as I'm finished with this post I'll rescind the three day ban. Hopefully the warning and the point penalty will suffice to get the message across.

You, DonkeyFocker, are evidently not one of those of us who enjoy playing live Omaha-8. (I read your other post where you stated playing brick and mortar Omaha-8 was like watching paint dry).

I derive pleasure from playing live Omaha-8. I enjoy knowing the game well and trying to figure out what my opponents at the table are thinking. The whole time I'm sitting at the table, whether I'm involved in the current hand or not, when I'm not thinking about something else like odds, I'm trying to put my opponents on cards based on their actions. I try to make sense out of why they're playing however they're playing. Somehow I find that very interesting, absorbing.

I'd rather win than lose, but I don't focus on winning or losing. I focus on figuring out my opponents and playing accordingly. And that is the essence of the game for me.

I do much the same thing playing other forms of poker. But somehow right from the very first time I played the game, Omaha-8 has been a favorite.

I do agree five hours playing only fifteen hands per hour would be very slow. I don't think I've ever been in a game that slow.

I feel bad every time I ban someone. Not "almost" for me.

But the ban will be lifted shortly anyhow.

Buzz

hey buzz, i'm not putting o8 down. i'm just used to playing 3 to 4 6max tables at a time. seems to slow for me. i need to find 6 12 to make it more interesting i guess.

I am crossing my fingers here. As I mentioned earlier, I've found a weekly $1/$2 PLO8 here in Detroit. I randomly show up to one of the charity rooms to find out they play $1/$2 Round by Round which runs daily at noon. I played in this game Monday and Tuesday, only maybe 2-3 guys were actually good at PLO, but then I hear them talking about how Thursday-Sunday $1/$2 PLO8 runs at this other charity room which is only 15 minutes from me. I'm pinching myself here, because this just seems TOO good to be true...

Buzz/anyone else,

first off, i apologize if anyone was offended by my post or felt insulted. that was not my intention at all

i don't have a ton of time to deal w/ this right now, but i want to clear this up as best i can

Buzz, u quoted part of my post in ur initial response, in ur response to DonkeyFocker, and in the notes for the infraction u gave me. unfortunately, in doing so, i feel u quoted me out of context. it's quite easy to take something someone said and make it appear insulting if u don't include what they are referring to or what they said earlier

u quoted me saying:

and responded w/:

in ur response to DonkeyFocker, u said:

in the reasoning listed under my infraction u wrote:
these quotes make no reference to what i said earlier or what i was trying to address, and, when taken out of context, are absolutely insulting

i said:

i put the key part of the above quote in bold

what i am suggesting is that, if u fall under the description i gave, there are more profitable games to focus on. this is my opinion. the opinion happens to be shared by almost every high stakes player i've spoken to that is aware of the action available in other game types (though that's basically irrelevant, it's implied that this is my opinion, and that i could be wrong, and that u are welcome to disagree)

i emphasize this again later by saying:

directly after i say:

taking my quote out of context and making it look like i am suggesting that o8 players aren't good enough to become strong players in other forms of poker is ridiculous. if u look at my entire post from start to finish, it should be quite clear that i was not suggesting any such thing. despite quoting my exact words, u have effectively put words in my mouth by leaving out the context. these words now show on my infraction record

at least u didn't delete the post itself so people can see for themselves, but i obv feel that the infraction should be removed completely. if u felt my post was insulting, could u have not just deleted it and contacted me privately rather than banning me for 3 days? maybe copy it first, send it to me, and suggest that there might be a better way to word it? keep in mind u banned me from all of 2+2 at a time when i am trying to plan out my future after losing a primary source of income. i appreciate u considering that u may have misinterpreted my intent and removing the ban, but still feel that i should not have a single infraction point

we all make mistakes. it would be unreasonable to expect u to never misinterpret someone's intentions when acting a mod. i understand that. and maybe i could have worded my post better

again, i apologize sincerely to anyone who felt i was insulting or disrespecting them. that couldn't be further from my intent

i was actually trying to help o8 posters who had lost a significant source of income by suggesting that there are other games that are quite beatable. if i'm not supposed to ever suggest that there could be a better game to focus on than o8 because i'm in an o8 forum, then i guess that's my fault for not understanding what these boards are here for. if we need to all pretend that this is the perfect game for everyone trying to make money to focus on while in this forum, then ok. but i am aware of no such rule on 2+2. in fact, i've seen different games being discussed in every strategy forum i've ever read

i feel that this is somewhat implied or at least that it should be obv, but there could even be exceptions to what i posted regarding o8 being the wrong game to focus on for those capable of playing poker at a high level who are attempting to make significant money long-term. there could be someone who loves o8 so much that they are able to put in longer hours playing it than in other games, or someone who is able to play their A-game for longer due to their love for o8. there are other possible examples

keep in mind i am an o8 player myself, and have been one for quite some time. it has been my primary game for years now

u took one small part of my post and made it sound like i was suggesting everyone who has chosen to play o8 has no chance of ever beating a different game. that is not only not what i was suggesting at all, but it's close to the exact opposite of what i was suggesting

hopefully i've cleared up my intent. i have other things i have to deal w/ now, and might not be able to respond to this further for a while. i will be contacting the admins and/or other mods to review my infraction, if needed, once i have more free time. for now, i thank u for at least being open-minded enough to remove my 3-day ban

1016

I don't feel like arguing with you about what you have written above.
• 1. Many who post and read here are capable of learning to play a game other than Omaha-8.
• 2. Focusing on the poker game you enjoy, regardless of whether you can make more money playing another poker game or not makes good sense to me.

But those remarks are not what got you penalized.

Whatever you really meant when you wrote it, that remark is insulting. That remark is what got you penalized.

You're berating Omaha-8 players. It may be true in some cases, but it's still abusive.

That remark is either banal or offensive. (Spare us).

No public comment.

I do disagree and you did offend. You cannot insult us and then blithely state you hope you didn't offend anyone. That does not negate the insult.

No comment.

OK. Accepted. Please choose your words more carefully for posts in the Omaha-8 forum in the future.

I didn't think so yesterday, and I don't think so today. Your post was insulting. That was my impression yesterday and it still is my impression today.

We're asked to give a reason for banning or giving a point penalty to a poster. I provided what I thought was a brief and sufficient reason.

Correct. Isn't that what you wrote?

I quoted the most offensive part of what you said. I thought and think that captures the gist of what I found to be insulting.

At least you recognize that truth.

But you didn't have that part in bold in your original post. You had it in parentheses.

I agree that anyone who can make money playing Omaha-8 can probably make more money doing something else. But that doesn't negate the slap in the face.

When you write a long post with a remark that insults us and other remarks that are more reflective, the remark that insults us is still a remark that insults us.

I don't disagree with that at all. If that was all you wrote, there would have been no problem. But you also included the remark Taken in or out of context, the remark is an insult.

Including a remark somewhere in your post that states or implies o8 is a game for people who just aren't good enough to become strong players in other forms of poker is insulting. No way around it.

I appreciate that you didn't mean it. But you wrote it. I advise you to be more careful with all the remarks you make in posts on the Omaha-8 forum. Please be polite and courteous to other posters in open posts on this forum.

As already noted above, insulting someone and then saying "hopefully i didn't offend anyone" doesn't make up for the offense.

Perhaps you wrote it stupidly and poorly, but I that is how I read what you wrote. I thought what you wrote was ridiculous. Not as ridiculous as moving to Thailand because you don't get to play on-line poker in the USA anymore, but still ridiculous.

Correct.

I could have handled it differently.

Accepted.

No penalty was given for suggesting there could be a better game to focus on than o8. You've already quoted the explanation I wrote for the penalty.

Nobody has to pretend "is the perfect game for everyone trying to make money." You've already quoted the explanation I wrote for the penalty. Read my words. I don't see how I could make it any clearer.

(Exasperated sigh).

No comment.

Noted.

Noted.

If you do that, then they'll be obliged to review it.

Do what you think is right.

You're welcome.

Buzz

Wow Buzz, lighten up bro.