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Where could have I saved money? Where could have I saved money?

11-24-2019 , 01:19 AM
FR 08
SB(100BB)
BB(100BB)
EP(100BB)
Ep1(200BB)
EP+2(100BB)
LJ(200BB)
HJ(90BB)
CO(50BB)
Hero Button(100BB)

EP opens 3.5BB

Folds around to Hero(2235)(Call
3.5BB)(pot 7BB)

Flop 42K

MP bets 8.5BB

Hero raise to 18-BB(pot 26BB)

Turn K

MP leads for Pot

Hero call off last pot sized bet

River 3

Spoiler:
MP has A 4 K 5


Where could have I saved money is this hand more of a mistake pre or post flop. Was the turn raise unnecessary.

Last edited by Drrr.Gonzo; 11-24-2019 at 01:25 AM.
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11-24-2019 , 04:51 AM
fold pre

flop raise fine

turn call fine
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11-24-2019 , 05:00 AM
Maybe even fold turn. Weak players donking like that just always have it. Don't be the guy who doesn't check whole range on that turn.

edit: oh, pot is way bigger than I thought. "Hero raise to 18-BB(pot 26BB)" is misleading, it's +50BB after flop action. In that case villain might be incentivized to donk a king, though I wouldn't. Also, I think you should raise bigger on the flop.
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11-26-2019 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
fold pre

flop raise fine

turn call fine
Would you feel the same if the hand were 2346.
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11-26-2019 , 08:27 PM
fold pre

fold flop
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12-01-2019 , 12:56 AM
Preflop
With low cards non ace hands you really want to avoid having the pair because the extra card really helps make straights and adds counterfeit protection.

Generally it's not a good idea to call an early position raise with these types of hands, but certainly you can consider a steal raise when it's folded to you or limp behind somebody else as long as you are in position. Even then, being selective about suits is also important.

On the other hand if you just played strong starting hands all the time instead of these more speculative ones you'd get along just fine unless you faced tough opponents.

Postflop
I agree with your flop raise but when the opponent leads out again on the turn you have to reconsider, because this has become a reverse implied odds situation. If your high is no good, which is a strong possibility given the action, you now are being asked to call a huge bet to get half the pot, and even if you make your low, that might not be good either. That's bad. If your high hand is good, it may not be on the river, and you will have to call any river blind, and again, you might still lose the low. All plausible given your opponents play.

In this particular case you block the hand you want your opponent to have (A35 without a king), and that's a big deal.

This is where reads come in. Without a specific read on your opponent, folding the turn may be superior until you have more information on them.

Last edited by LUCIUS VARENUS; 12-01-2019 at 01:05 AM.
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12-07-2019 , 03:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
Preflop
With low cards non ace hands you really want to avoid having the pair because the extra card really helps make straights and adds counterfeit protection.

Generally it's not a good idea to call an early position raise with these types of hands, but certainly you can consider a steal raise when it's folded to you or limp behind somebody else as long as you are in position. Even then, being selective about suits is also important.

On the other hand if you just played strong starting hands all the time instead of these more speculative ones you'd get along just fine unless you faced tough opponents.

Postflop
I agree with your flop raise but when the opponent leads out again on the turn you have to reconsider, because this has become a reverse implied odds situation. If your high is no good, which is a strong possibility given the action, you now are being asked to call a huge bet to get half the pot, and even if you make your low, that might not be good either. That's bad. If your high hand is good, it may not be on the river, and you will have to call any river blind, and again, you might still lose the low. All plausible given your opponents play.

In this particular case you block the hand you want your opponent to have (A35 without a king), and that's a big deal.

This is where reads come in. Without a specific read on your opponent, folding the turn may be superior until you have more information on them.
Interesting tu
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12-17-2019 , 02:22 AM
Call pre against most but recognize part of your value is in floating/stealing when you both miss, getting paid on ALx boards, etc. so if you're not prepared or that won't happen then don't play it.

Flop bet size is a bit weird, just pot it (or maybe you did, hard to tell). Plenty of hands have odds but will give action, A3 might be the most common two cards he'll have.

Turn I'm not folding, you're ahead of AK with a wheel card which is a much bigger part of his range than a boat.
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12-24-2019 , 07:24 PM
Played fine. Maybe could have found a flat on flop. Fixed limit fold pre, plo hand is way to good to fold pre.
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