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08-21-2018 , 04:46 AM

goblin82

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I folded this hand, but I believe it is an easy call.

Under what circumstances should you consider to fold a nut low in NLO8?

Poker Stars, $5.05 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 80 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37936081

SB: 18,270 (45.7 bb)
BB: 10,555 (26.4 bb)
MP: 21,225 (53.1 bb)
Hero (CO): 37,415 (93.5 bb)
BTN: 10,880 (27.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

MP folds, Hero raises to 1,000, BTN calls 1,000, SB calls 800, BB calls 600

Flop: (4,400) 8

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (4,400) 3

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (4,400) A

(4 players)
SB bets 17,190 and is all-in, BB calls 9,475 and is all-in, 2 folds

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08-21-2018 , 10:06 AM

TS2

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,505

why diodnt u cbet? with no high i prob fold that everytime.

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08-21-2018 , 10:58 AM

goblin82

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Originally Posted by TS2

why diodnt u cbet? with no high i prob fold that everytime.

They called on blinds. They could have mediocare hands. I believe this flop helped their ranges much more than mine.

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08-21-2018 , 11:16 AM

amok

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Agreed with OP, cbetting against 3 players on this board with close to zero equity hand is not advisable.

On the river I think folding is OK. Very bad play by both villains btw.

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08-21-2018 , 12:16 PM

DingusEgg

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This hand makes me think I need to play more HL tournaments lol.

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08-21-2018 , 03:54 PM

LUCIUS VARENUS

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 10,461

The problem with these spots is when you fold you feel like you are getting run over but it's usually people value betting hands they shouldn't

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08-21-2018 , 05:59 PM

greybeard33

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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS

The problem with these spots is when you fold you feel like you are getting run over but it's usually people value betting hands they shouldn't

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Seems like a clear value bet for SB but terrible sizing. Do you not like the value bet or the sizing (or both)?

So many worse hands BB can be calling with here but folding can’t be that bad given SB shove.

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08-22-2018 , 10:51 AM

illiterat

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SB's shove is the obvious "I've got a one way nuts hand, so please fold" you see so much at these stakes. Sizing looks bad but then BB calls. More telling that SB is an idiot is not betting turn.

BB's call is terrible, just praying SB has the high sid, probably will think he's super unlucky when SB turns up with 234.

Hero has obvious fold ... pre. (yes, I know that double suited this is a 15% hand ... but you often don't get to realize your equity vs. idiots ... like here). I guess if everyone is passive you could limp it hoping for a nutty flop. If the 4 was a 3 I'd be much happier with it.

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08-22-2018 , 12:22 PM

amok

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I think pre open is OK, unless they 3-bet a lot. I dislike limping especially CO and especially with a non-nutty hand like this.

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08-22-2018 , 07:00 PM

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illiterat

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I'm saying don't raise based on the assumption that all villains are somewhere between bad and terrible, and the stack sizes of BTN/BB.

Depending on the type of player BTN can shove fairly wide here with his stack size, or he'll call anything he'd limp.

If BTN calls SB is super likely to call anything he'd limp with.

Then BB is the most likely to shove if anyone calls, or if he doesn't do that then he'll call too.

If you have reads that SB/BB will fold a decent amount raising is fine, otherwise it's a more expensive limp and even when you hit you'll mostly be guessing if one of the other 3 villains played some random any4 that hit better.

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08-22-2018 , 07:17 PM

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amok

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All of that is based on assumptions that I find strange, but I accept the possibility that this is the way game plays. If they call very wide at least this hand is pushing equity.

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08-23-2018 , 04:56 PM

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lotuspod2

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Originally Posted by illiterat

Pretty much spot on, though I suppose there's a case for simply just folding pre - especially if you feel like the table is soft and/or just to maintain a tighter image until later. Double-suited and 3 wheel cards is pretty, but hero has the table covered chip-wise and blinds aren't even that high...can likely find much better spots with a stack like that.

Only assumption that seems a bit odd is BB jamming, since there's still a lot of potential value for him in just flatting(or checking if limped). BTN jam might be just as likely as BB, but still not too often I'd think at these blinds.

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08-23-2018 , 11:04 PM

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UnnaturalDisaster

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Originally Posted by lotuspod2

Only assumption that seems a bit odd is BB jamming, since there's still a lot of potential value for him in just flatting(or checking if limped). BTN jam might be just as likely as BB, but still not too often I'd think at these blinds.

He is right. On Stars the game is played a lot differently than on US sites.

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