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06-16-2019 , 03:46 AM

agnostia

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,282

Blinds 600/1200
We have chip lead about 30 off the money

A27cJcK and have 160k

We are utg+2 and open to 3000

Mp calls (80k), button calls (45k), SB calls (20k)

Flop:

69c8c
We bet 7k, mp calls, button ships for 42k, SB ships for 17k

We tank... And eventually re-jam to put Mp all in should he call. Mp thinks for 2 minutes and then calls.

I don't play many tournaments but play lots of Big O cash.

How does this look?

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06-16-2019 , 07:20 AM

amok

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Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,258

I'd start with a check. It's hard to fathom your hand has the highest equity vs 3 opponents. If several villains start to put a lot of chips in I think you should try to get away.

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06-16-2019 , 03:55 PM

kisada

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,860

agree on all points with amok.

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06-16-2019 , 04:47 PM

greybeard33

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 523

Don’t really disagree with amok but we are an equity favorite against a 5% hand and 2 20% hands (26.46% vs 25.53% vs 24% x2). I think I like checking flop but ok with how you played it, and just can’t see folding in either case. Worst case scenario you still have a decent stack of almost 70bb.

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06-16-2019 , 07:13 PM

monikrazy

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28,050

It looks bad, and wouldnt be a good line in cash either. Being chip leader is a huge advantage, so bet jam half your stack without the nut flush draw or a better piece of the board is super ugly. Agree this is a super stand check and not even an obvious check call.

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06-17-2019 , 01:36 AM

the pleasure

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Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 6,093

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Originally Posted by amok

I'd start with a check. It's hard to fathom your hand has the highest equity vs 3 opponents. If several villains start to put a lot of chips in I think you should try to get away.

if play is worse than the cash games, I think he wins half pot decent number of times? ive seen people think A4 low on that board is the nuts in the 1-2 cash tables. do we take this into consideration?

i agree check is fine but I think we can safely call, if its cash im more suspect

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06-17-2019 , 02:24 AM

amok

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It shouldn't matter much IMO. They might also think we never have A2 when we check the flop...

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06-22-2019 , 12:53 PM

LUCIUS VARENUS

Soldier of Minbet

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 10,461

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Originally Posted by the pleasure

more importantly, do you really wanna stick a quarter of your stack in hoping to get half?

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06-25-2019 , 06:55 PM

PokerPlayingGamble

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Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 4,669

meh, it seems to me that our flush draw is going to be live here most of the time. We are against 15 cards, so it is 2:1 that the ace of clubs was folded or is in the stub / burn, and even if someone else in the hand has it they're not a lock to have a second club to go with it. so most of the time we are sitting pretty with the nut low draw and a strong high combo draw. I guess not having another wheel card is pretty unfortunate.

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06-26-2019 , 06:48 AM

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RolldUpTrips

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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,334

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

This logic is pretty faulty. The cards in people's hands are not random, but rather are selected. In this game, people play mostly hands that include an ace. I would expect should expect that in a 4-way pot, between 3 and 4 aces are spoken for, and the holder of the Ac is a big favorite to have another club (again, side cards are not random)

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06-26-2019 , 05:55 PM

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Smudger2408

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Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 1,922

Need a little more information on how the game has been played. Will they all go in with good nut low draws, or are you against A-2-3, made straight, and Top flush draw?

Cash game, I hate the line. Check and evaluate. Tournament? Meh. Think you played it correct. 10 might be good, club might be good, and depending on my opponents, it is possible we are only a-2.

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